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The Greenspan Warnings
321Gold ^ | Dec. 1, 2005 | Nick Barisheff

Posted on 12/01/2005 10:13:36 AM PST by Travis McGee

As gold flirts with 20-year highs, we are hearing more from the "gold bugs" or, as they are sometimes appropriately called, the "doom-and-gloomers". Appropriately, because a gold bug's current outlook for the future of traditional financial assets such as stocks, bonds and currencies is not optimistic, particularly in the US. A gold bug traces today's financial problems back to the removal of gold backing from global currencies; without such backing, there is no limit to the amount of money that politicians and the banking system can create. Monetary inflation inevitably leads to price inflation, and creates asset bubbles and excess debt that have historically led to financial collapses. However, pointing out these realities has earned gold bugs the label of doom-and-gloomers. For the most part, they are ignored by the ever-optimistic mainstream media and are relegated to offbeat websites and publications.

There is, however, a key spokesperson from the mainstream - Alan Greenspan, the most powerful financial person in the world today - whose voice cannot be ignored. On the surface he toes the party line and goes along with traditional optimism. But when you listen carefully to his words and read between the lines of his speeches, you will find another message. It is a message remarkably similar to that preached by the gold bugs, the doom-and-gloomers. In fact, if you dig deep below the surface, down to his root beliefs, you will discover that Mr. Greenspan is a closet gold bug.

That's right. Alan Greenspan is a gold bug. A doom-and-gloomer right up there with the best of them. On close review of some of his recent speeches it will become apparent that his comments on issues like the potential for a derivatives crisis, the potential drop in asset prices, the housing bubble, the coming social security crisis, oil supply risks, the rising budget deficit, rising long term interest rates and the record high current account deficit are the same issues that gold bugs are warning about. These speeches often go unreported by the mainstream media, or are buried on the back pages, but most importantly they have not been compiled into one comprehensive summary.

Although they are warnings, in some cases they are not clearly stated. For example, in reporting on Greenspan's August 26 speech at Jackson Hole, CNN said: "Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan issued a veiled warning Friday on the risks to the economy from trade and budget deficits -- as well as the recent run-up in home prices."

"Veiled warning" is an apt description. Greenspan has a talent for delivering veiled messages in general. As financial writer Doug Gnazzo says: "This dude was born with a silvery tongue... able to joust with the best of them." And from a recent Forbes article: "His prophecies rivet everyone, even if no one can parse what he's saying. His wife, broadcaster Andrea Mitchell, jokes that he had to propose three times before she understood him." Greenspan's vagueness has been noted so often it has earned its own name - Greenspeak.

So what has Greenspan actually said about the problems facing the US economy? A look at his words on each of the issues named above provides some important insights.

Derivatives Dangers

In remarks to Congress in October, 1998:

"On occasion there will be mistakes made, as there were in LTCM and I will forecast without knowing who, what or where, that there will be many more. I would suspect there are potential disasters running into a very large number, in the hundreds."

In 1998, a hedge fund called Long Term Capital Management guessed wrong in the bond markets. LTCM was founded by two Nobel prizewinners, and had the who's who of both Wall Street and Washington on its board of directors. Because our global financial system is so intertwined, LTCM's losses of over $1.2 trillion of derivatives posed a risk so large that the whole global financial system could have collapsed had the Fed not intervened. In addition to LTCM, there have been the high-profile collapses of Orange County, Barings Bank and Enron, all thanks to derivatives losses. Greenspan believes there are hundreds of such potential disasters waiting to happen.

The risks are much higher now, since the total amount of over-the-counter derivatives has grown from about $70 trillion in 1998 to over $370 trillion today. There is a total of $89 trillion in US derivatives, of which three banks hold 95%; J.P. Morgan alone holds over $46 trillion.

Government-sponsored entities (GSEs) such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac may now pose systemic risks. Between 2000 and 2003, Fannie Mae reported derivatives losses of $25 billion. With respect to the systemic risks posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Greenspan warned in February 2004:

"The Federal Reserve is concerned about the growth and scale of the GSEs' mortgage portfolios, which concentrate interest rate and prepayment risks at these two institutions."

The Potential Drop in Asset Values

Greenspan at a symposium sponsored by the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, Jackson Hole, Wyoming on August 26, 2005:

"This vast increase in the market value of asset claims [stocks, bonds, houses] is in part the indirect result of investors accepting lower compensation for risk. Such an increase in market value is too often viewed by market participants as structural and permanent... But what they perceive as newly abundant liquidity can readily disappear . . . history has not dealt kindly with the aftermath of protracted periods of low risk premiums."

The long stretch of increasing stock, bond and real estate prices together with low interest rates has made investors feel secure and willing to accept lower returns. Since all markets are cyclical in nature, busts follow booms and prices tend to revert to their mean. As interest rates rise, stocks, bonds and real estate will all be negatively impacted and could result in painful declines.

Have a good look at the last sentence in his quote. You might have to read it a couple of times, but those words could have been uttered by the most ardent doom-and-gloomer. The words "history has not dealt kindly with" imply difficult times ahead for assets, and this is one of the few unveiled warnings you'll hear from the grandmaster of spin.

The Housing Bubble

Greenspan at Jackson Hole on August 27, 2005:

"Nearer term, the housing boom will inevitably simmer down. As part of that process, house turnover will decline from currently historic levels, while home price increases will slow and prices could even decrease. As a consequence, home equity extraction will ease and with it some of the strength in personal consumption expenditures."

The housing boom will end, prices will level and could even fall. Either way, the consumer spending enabled by the refinancing boom will slow down. The current housing boom is a direct result of low interest rates and lax lending standards. Today, buyers can get low-cost, variable-rate mortgage loans for the full purchase price without having to document their income. As rates rise, many homeowners will be forced to convert their loans to a fixed rate at several points higher. As a consequence, many will no longer be able to afford the monthly payments and with no equity left, they will simply default. The increasing number of unsold homes could then lead to a collapse in prices. Once this happens, there will be a major impact on the economy as it loses its most important engine of growth.

The Coming Crisis in Social Security

Greenspan before the Committee on Financial Services, US House of Representatives, February 11, 2004:

"The imbalance in the federal budgetary situation, unless addressed soon, will pose serious longer-term fiscal difficulties. Our demographics--especially the retirement of the baby-boom generation beginning in just a few years--mean that the ratio of workers to retirees will fall substantially. Without corrective action, this development will put substantial pressure on our ability in coming years to provide even minimal government services while maintaining entitlement benefits at their current level, without debilitating increases in tax rates. The longer we wait before addressing these imbalances, the more wrenching the fiscal adjustment ultimately will be."

Greenspan in testimony before the House Budget Committee, March 2005:

"When you begin to do the arithmetic of what the rising debt level implied by the deficits tells you and add interest costs to that ever-rising debt at ever-higher interest rates, the system becomes fiscally destabilizing. What you end up with is probably a stagnant economic system."

Greenspan before the Budget Committee, US Senate, April 21, 2005:

"I fear that we may have already committed more physical resources to the baby-boom generation in its retirement years than our economy has the capacity to deliver."

According to the 2004 Financial Report for the US Government, that year's total Federal Budget Deficit exceeded $11 trillion for the year. Apart from the cash deficit of $412 billion, the balance was made up of unfunded Social Security and Medicare benefits. Since last year's real deficit almost exceeds the entire US GNP, it is apparent why Greenspan says that more promises have been made to the baby-boom generation than the economy has the capacity to deliver. In the next few years, worker contributions to Social Security will fall far short of payments to retirees. There is no trust fund of accumulated contributions. Existing retirees were paid out of current contributions and the surplus was spent by various governments to fund general programs. Making up the shortfall will create serious challenges for the federal budget. It is estimated that unfunded Social Security liabilities now exceed $40 trillion. As these obligations fall due the only political choice the US government will have is to monetize these obligations, resulting in massive increases in monetary inflation and a resulting negative impact on the value of the US dollar.

Oil Supply Risks

Greenspan to the National Italian American Foundation, Washington, D.C., October 15, 2004:

" . . . the current situation reflects an increasing fear that existing reserves and productive crude oil capacity have become subject to potential geopolitical adversity. These anxieties patently are not frivolous given the stark realities evident in many areas of the world."

Many industry experts predict that total world oil production will soon peak, even as demand continues to grow. The looming problem of peak oil is enough cause for concern, leading as it will to rising prices while existing supplies become insufficient to meet growing global demand. In addition, almost all remaining reserves are located in politically unstable areas such as the Middle East and former Russian provinces, making the possibility of supply disruptions even greater. The term "geopolitical adversity" could also refer to plans by Iran to start an oil bourse in March 2006, and begin pricing its oil in euros. Hugo Chavez of Venezuela has stated that he will sell his oil in euros as well, and Russia's Vladimir Putin is considering doing the same. The negative impact to the US economy of rising prices and possible supply disruptions that the pricing of oil in euros would have will result in a major negative impact on the US dollar.

The Rising Budget Deficit

Greenspan before the Committee on Financial Services, US House of Representatives, July 20, 2005:

"Large deficits result in rising interest rates and ever-growing interest payments that augment deficits in future years. Unless that trend is reversed, at some point these deficits would cause the economy to stagnate or worse."

Greenspan at Jackson Hole, August 27, 2005:

"Monetary policy, for example, cannot ignore the potential inflationary pressures inherent in our current fiscal outlook, especially those that could arise in meeting commitments to future retirees. However, I assume that these imbalances will be resolved before stark choices again confront us and that, if they are not, the Fed would resist any temptation to monetize future fiscal deficits. We had too much experience with the dangers of inflation in the 1970s to tolerate going through another bout of dispiriting stagflation. The consequences for both future workers and retirees could be daunting."

The present budget is inflationary and the problems ahead will make it worse. In 2004 the US federal government's gross debt topped $7.4 trillion: that amounts to $25,000 for every man, woman and child in the country. If unfunded commitments to Social Security and Medicare are added in, the burden rises to $145,000 per person, or $350,000 per full-time worker. In his 2004 report, David Walker, Comptroller General of the United States, issued a very clear warning to the president, the senate and congress, reinforcing Greenspan's warning:

"Without reform, known demographic trends, rising health care costs, and projected growth in federal spending for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid will result in massive fiscal pressures, that if not addressed, could cripple the economy, threaten our national security and adversely affect the quality of life of Americans in the future."

Rising Long-Term Interest Rates

Greenspan at a banking conference in Germany, November 19, 2004:

"The fiscal issues that we face pose long-term challenges, but federal budget deficits could cause difficulties even in the relatively near term. Long-term interest rates reflect not only the balance between the current demand for, and current supply of, credit, they also incorporate markets' expectations of those balances in the future. As a consequence, should investors become significantly more doubtful that the Congress will take the necessary fiscal measures, an appreciable backup in long-term interest rates is possible as prospects for outsized federal demands on national saving become more apparent. Such a development could constrain investment and other interest-sensitive spending and thus undermine the private capital formation that is a key element in our economy's growth prospects."

While the Federal Reserve sets short-term rates, the bond market sets long-term rates. As budget deficits increase, long-term interest rates, determined by the bond markets, are likely to rise. Higher debt-service costs will then further increase budget deficits. In addition, higher long-term rates will have a negative impact on corporate earnings, and lead to higher mortgage rates. This will ultimately lead to a slowdown in investment, faltering economy growth and a decline in both equities and real estate.

Greenspan went on to say:

"Rising interest rates have been advertised for so long and in so many places that anyone who hasn't appropriately hedged his position by now is desirous of losing money."

The Record-High Current Account Deficit

Greenspan before the Committee on Financial Services, US House of Representatives, February 11, 2004:

"To date, the US current account deficit has been financed with little difficulty. . . investors evidently continue to perceive the United States as an excellent place to invest. Moreover, some governments have accumulated large amounts of dollar-denominated debt as a byproduct of resisting upward exchange rate adjustment. Nonetheless, given the already-substantial accumulation of dollar-denominated debt, foreign investors, both private and official, may become less willing to absorb ever-growing claims on US residents."

Greenspan speaking to the European Banking Congress 2004, Frankfurt, Germany, November 19, 2004:

"...net claims against residents of the United States cannot continue to increase forever in international portfolios at their recent pace. . .

Given the size of the US current account deficit, a diminished appetite for adding to dollar balances must occur at some point. The trade deficit cannot continue to increase forever at the recent pace."

In recent years the US has been able to convince foreign investors, both private and government, to hold its debt. The Current Account Deficit now stands at nearly 7% of GDP, the highest on record. Typically, when the deficits of third-world countries exceed 6% a collapse in the currency soon follows. It is unlikely that foreigners will be willing to accumulate US debt forever. At some point they will stop increasing their holdings and the US government will be forced to monetize the deficits. This will result in an increase in the money supply and higher inflation. Corporations and consumers may not be able to borrow on favourable terms, leading to a decline in economic growth and possibly a recession. If foreign debt-holders decide to start selling their US dollar holdings, a precipitous decline in the dollar could result.

These are but a few of the warning - some veiled, some very clear - contained in the dozens of speeches made by Greenspan over the last several years. On close examination, it seems the only difference between a raging gold bug and the still-in-the-closet Greenspan is that a gold bug states that a crisis will happen, while Greenspan implies that a crisis might happen. But what else can he do? The most powerful man in the financial world can't yell "Danger!" from the rooftops. Imagine the impact on the markets if the Chairman of the Federal Reserve were to issue dire warnings about the state of the economy. That kind of transparency doesn't go along with his job.

In trying to gauge Greenspan's words, you must also consider his past beliefs. Greenspan was an ardent gold bug and a true believer in the gold standard. Here are a few of the things he has said about gold over the years.

From a 1967 article entitled Gold and Economic Freedom:

"The abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion of credit. In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the 'hidden' confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."

By any interpretation, these are the words of a true gold bug. "In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation." Could his words be any clearer? Could his pro-gold sentiment be any stronger? It could be argued that these words were written in 1968 and much has changed since then. However, as he recently autographed a copy of this article for Congressman Ron Paul, Paul asked him if still believed what he had written. Greenspan replied: "I wouldn't change a word."

In addition, here's what he said on December 19, 2002 when he spoke to the Economic Club of New York in New York City:

"In the two decades following the abandonment of the gold standard in 1933, the Consumer Price Index in the United States nearly doubled. And, in the four decades after that, prices quintupled. Monetary policy, unleashed from the constraint of domestic gold convertibility, had allowed a persistent over issuance of money. As recently as a decade ago, central bankers, having witnessed more than a half-century of chronic inflation, appeared to confirm that a fiat currency was inherently subject to excess."

It will be interesting to see what Mr. Greenspan has to say once he retires in January 2006 and is free of the restraints his position places upon him. As events unfold, and he is writing his memoirs, he will be able to say, "I told you so." It may take some time before these events take place. In 1996 he gave what is probably his most famous warning:

"But how do we know when irrational exuberance has unduly escalated asset values, which then become subject to unexpected and prolonged contractions as they have in Japan over the past decade?"

Markets around the world fell 3-4%, and the US market fell 2% at the opening. The NASDAQ continued from 1,300 at the time of this speech to its peak of 5,049 on March 10, 2000 before plummeting 78% to 1,114 in October 2002. Today it is still more than 50% below its peak.

Given the devastating consequences many investors suffered when equity markets collapsed, it seems only prudent to take defensive action based on the warnings given by Greenspan himself.

One of the most effective ways of securing wealth in turbulent financial times is to ensure that investment portfolios are properly diversified and include an appropriate allocation to precious metals. Precious metals move in the opposite direction to financial assets, and act as portfolio insurance. In a recent study entitled Diversification with Gold, Silver and Platinum, Ibbotson Associates stated that an allocation of 7.1%, 12.5% or 15.7% for conservative, moderate and aggressive portfolios respectively could increase returns and reduce portfolio risks. They also concluded that precious metals, in bullion form, provided positive returns when they were needed the most. Bearing in mind the implications of Greenspan's warnings, an allocation considerably higher than the recommended Ibbotson allocations may very well be a prudent move.

Nick Barisheff


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
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To: justshutupandtakeit
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61 posted on 12/01/2005 1:13:59 PM PST by vrwc0915
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To: Irontank
I'm not incorrect...core CPI (the most oft cited measure by the Fed and its cheerleaders in the financial media) specifically excludes food and energy prices

Ummm...they mention both rates. And they don't try to hide it, it's even on their website.

As for how to track housing costs...I'm not a statistician but if the purpose of the CPI is to measure the living costs incurred by the average household...why limit the cost of housing criteria to rental prices?

I own a house and have a mortgage. Prices of houses in my area double. Does my mortgage double? No.

62 posted on 12/01/2005 1:16:34 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: vrwc0915

LoL I knew someone would post something like that. Maybe I should change the example to covered wagons.


63 posted on 12/01/2005 1:20:41 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Irontank
Senator Jon Corzine dismissing the looiming crisis in Social Security by declaring that "it will never run out of money...the government can just print more money"

Futurist Watts Wacker predicted that, when the Gen-X kids grow up and take over control from the boomers they will do just that. Faced with a staggering national debt, they will elect to simply print the debt out of existence.

64 posted on 12/01/2005 1:24:47 PM PST by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Fine, just scale the numbers to accurately reflect the relative numbers of home buyers to renters to owners paying a mortgage, to outright owners. Add into the mix the cost of housing, the cost of renting, the cost of mortgages, and of course the cost of property taxes (which apply to all but the second category, although it is folded into their rent). And scale by the percentages, and you have an accurate picture of the "average cost of housing" across the entire population. Certainly a lot more accurate than considering renters only. (Ultimately what is sought is to collect the entire US expenditure on housing, divided by the total population, for the exact average cost spent on housing.) That is certainly a lot more accurate than assessing rental costs only.

My mortgage payment is unchanged.

Don't forget that there are an awful lot of ARMs out there - their mortgage costs will change, and that is a change in the cost of housing.

65 posted on 12/01/2005 1:49:25 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: coloradan
...try to determine if the arguments for a higher gold price are valid, e.g. debased currency, artifically suppressed gold prices, etc...

For hundreds of years the value of gold in say, dollars, has not kept up with everything else.  So, before I decided to expect real gold prices to increase, I'd first have to determine that gold demand was going up-- like maybe a new jewelry fad or sudden need for window lettering maybe.

I find the track record for stock prices a lot more convincing.

66 posted on 12/01/2005 1:54:20 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Ummm...they mention both rates. And they don't try to hide it, it's even on their website.

I never said they try to hide it...but those who support Fed policies also don't often mention the total CPI rate...they prefer to mention the core rate...which, IMO, understates inflation...but you don't have to believe me...look at the various Fed Bank websites...google statements by Fed governors or by Greenspan himself

I own a house and have a mortgage. Prices of houses in my area double. Does my mortgage double? No.

I don't understand your point...if prices of homes double in your area in a short time...you have a case of high housing inflation...a condition that is probably not reflected in the CPI...particularly if the housing boom is the result of low mortgage rates. I only know what's going on in my area of the country...but here housing prices still go up at ridiculous annual rates...and at the same time I see that local apartment complexes are offering all sorts of deals (free rent for the first month or two) to entice renters. I don't know the statistics but I will guarantee that, in any area of the country, average annual rent increases are nowhere close to average annual housing price increases.

Until the early 80's, the CPI did use home prices, mortgage interest rates, property taxes, and insurance and maintenance costs as the bases for measuring housing costs...then the BLS moved to imputed rental value...why?

67 posted on 12/01/2005 1:55:23 PM PST by Irontank (Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty -- John Adams)
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To: expat_panama

The question isn't whether stocks are a better buy than gold, the question is whether gold is a better buy than dollars.


68 posted on 12/01/2005 1:55:30 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: coloradan
Certainly a lot more accurate than considering renters only.

The governments calculation is not based on renters only.

Don't forget that there are an awful lot of ARMs out there - their mortgage costs will change, and that is a change in the cost of housing.

An ARM adjusting has nothing to do with the price of the house.

69 posted on 12/01/2005 2:04:07 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
An ARM adjusting has nothing to do with the price of the house.

And neither does an adjustment of rent. But both have to do with the cost of living, which is what "cost of living" increases are supposed to be geared towards.

70 posted on 12/01/2005 2:07:56 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: coloradan; Travis McGee; SaxxonWoods
The question isn't whether stocks are a better buy than gold, the question is whether gold is a better buy than dollars.

Dollars are money that we can use for buying gold or buying stocks, but I'm digressing.  The question in this exchange ( To 1, To 12, 56, & 66) is whether this article is informative, or is it merely Barisheff's spam for peddling shares in his mutual fund.

IMHO it's not informative; it's not even honest.

71 posted on 12/01/2005 2:15:35 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: Irontank
I never said they try to hide it...

No, you said it's not included. Its why the CPI does not account for food costs, energy costs.

I don't understand your point...

You said CPI does not include the price of homes and mortgage payments. Why would the rising price of the home I own change my mortgage payment?

I don't know the statistics but I will guarantee that, in any area of the country, average annual rent increases are nowhere close to average annual housing price increases.

You are correct. But if you look at the link to the secret CPI that the government doesn't talk about, you'll see that even though rents have been falling, the housing components of CPI are still rising. OER is rising.

...then the BLS moved to imputed rental value...why?

I'd have to say it is more accurate.

72 posted on 12/01/2005 2:21:39 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Inflation or deflation are your two alternatives, when you have ruined your underlying economy with endless fiat money.

Exactly. There is no inflation or deflation under a gold or silver standard. LOL!!

There are always fluctuations in any market economy, and always will be. But only the infinite printing of worthless unbacked fiat money (as we have done since Nixon closed the gold window in 1971) leads to totally ruinous collapses, leading to mass starvation, bloody revolution, civil war and dictatorship.

For example, I'd say the USA did pretty well across the span of the 19th century, under a gold backed currency, wouldn't you? All in all?

Say, compared to France in the 1780s, or Germany in the 20s? Or what is going to happen to the USA?

73 posted on 12/01/2005 2:22:44 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
But only the infinite printing of worthless unbacked fiat money

Gosh I knew the Fed was powerful but I didn't think they printed an infinite number of dollars.

For example, I'd say the USA did pretty well across the span of the 19th century, under a gold backed currency, wouldn't you? All in all?

Yes, the USA did very well in the 19th Century under a gold backed currency. I wonder how much gold they needed to back our currency in 1800? In 1900? I wonder how much gold they would need in 2005?

I guess if you don't mind spikes of inflation and deflation like we had in the 19th century gold could be dandy.

74 posted on 12/01/2005 2:27:33 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: expat_panama

Yes, I was trying to be polite after my first post brought a wounded howl from the poster, but you are on point. The article was not written as a public service, and should be read with that in mind.


75 posted on 12/01/2005 2:30:46 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Question for Socialists: Why are others bound to do for you what you won't do for yourself?)
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To: Travis McGee
I'd say the USA did pretty well across the span of the 19th century, under a gold backed currency, wouldn't you?

No, and fortunately most people feel the same way.  Pegging money to gold gave us worse inflation than we've ever had with the Fed.   Even that wouldn't have been so bad if the gold currency would've just settled down to one of it's 25%/year peaks.  No such luck.  It would loop down to over 10% deflation for a couple months and then back to double digit inflation.

Truly idiotic.

76 posted on 12/01/2005 2:47:11 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: SaxxonWoods

Are articles normally written as public services? Is that the norm?


77 posted on 12/01/2005 3:52:35 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: coloradan

It's starting to sound like you work for the guy, give it a rest willya? Buy all the gold in the world, whatever...sheesh!


78 posted on 12/01/2005 3:56:38 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Question for Socialists: Why are others bound to do for you what you won't do for yourself?)
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To: SaxxonWoods

You can't answer my question, so you question my motives instead.


79 posted on 12/01/2005 4:36:49 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: Travis McGee
Interesting article. Most folks do not understand that Greenspan was an ardent "gold bug" before going to the fed.

Thanks for the ping. Interesting how a little money and a lot of power can change someone's mind. I believe it was Washington who said that few men can withstand the highest bidder....

Anyway, gold did hit 500 FRN's today and I expect it to go much higher into the future as the dollar continues it's collapse.

80 posted on 12/01/2005 5:47:35 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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