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Donkey Fight (Daily Kos mad at Kerry)
Opinion Journal Best of the Web ^ | James Taranto

Posted on 12/01/2005 8:48:52 AM PST by slowhand520

Donkey Fight! Reactions to President Bush's Iraq speech yesterday suggest that he has succeeded in dividing the Democratic opposition. "The president's speech in Annapolis today was a step in the right direction," said Sen. Ken Salazar of Colorado. But his Wisconsin colleague Russ Feingold said, "It's a step back." House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi endorsed Rep. John Murtha's call for an immediate pullout (though both Pelosi and Murtha voted against that proposition when Republicans called their bluff last month. But Pelosi's deputy, Steny Hoyer, said if his boss had her way it "could lead to disaster, spawning a civil war, fostering a haven for terrorists and damaging our nation's security and credibility."

Meanwhile, Angry Left blogger Markos Moulitsas is on the warpath against John Kerry*:

There's a little kerfuffle inside the Democratic Senate caucus over John Kerry's insistance [sic] in being part of the official party response to Bush's hilarious "plan" in Iraq. Reid originally had designated Sen. Jack Reed to provide the official response. Reed did the "prebuttal" yesterday and had a press conference set up for today.

However, John Kerry stomped over Reed by deciding he was going to hold a press conference this morning as well in a naked bid to steal the limelight. Eventually, Reid was forced to combine the two press conferences to try and maintain a unified Senate Democrat response, but Kerry's antics have generated some ill will.

Much ado about nothing? Perhaps. But several DC Democrats I've spoken to today were not happy with Kerry's antics. And given 1) Kerry's continued inability to clearly articulate a coherent position on the war . . ., and 2) the fact that Kerry voted for it (while Reed did not), it's not hard to see why.

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1 posted on 12/01/2005 8:48:53 AM PST by slowhand520
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To: slowhand520

Sounds like more of an Ass Fight.


2 posted on 12/01/2005 8:52:11 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: slowhand520

And so many conservatives were worried about the poll numbers and constant hounding of the dems/media.

They can't keep themselves together.


3 posted on 12/01/2005 8:53:12 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (Linux, the #2 OS. Mac, the #3 OS. Apple's own numbers are hard to argue with.)
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To: slowhand520
I wonder if it will ever get through his thick friggin head, that he ain't NEVER gonna be President.
4 posted on 12/01/2005 8:53:41 AM PST by digger48
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To: Chi-townChief

Democrats are children who shouldn't be allowed in the room when grown-ups are trying to work on real problems.


5 posted on 12/01/2005 8:54:55 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: slowhand520

They already hate Kerry. He did the most unforgivable thing possible. He lost to BFEE/Bushco or whatever name they have for him.


6 posted on 12/01/2005 8:56:27 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("What does a guy have to do to get fired around here?" - Darryl Rogers, former Lions Coach)
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To: slowhand520

"Bush's hilarious "plan""

No reasons why it's hilarious or why plan in quotation marks. This blogger just attacks and probably can't come up with one good point as to what he/she wrote.


7 posted on 12/01/2005 8:56:43 AM PST by NapkinUser ("Our troops have become the enemy." -Representative John P. Murtha, modern day Benedict Arnold.)
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To: slowhand520
Didn't John Kerry in his speech yesterday make the claim that democrats have never discussed or called for a date certain to pull the troops out?

Its all they have been doing for nearly a year!

8 posted on 12/01/2005 8:56:48 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
The pendulum is definitely about to swing to the right again. Watching Kerry yesterday try and articulate an incomprehensible stance was like watching a boxer against the ropes throwing one last jab to fend off an inevitable knockout. I hope Bush does not rest on his laurels. The GOP needs to perpetuate this.
9 posted on 12/01/2005 8:57:04 AM PST by slowhand520
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I saw Pelosi this morning on Fox and she was pushing the withdrawal to a neighboring country and using a rapid reaction force for Iraq as an alternate plan. The Fox news readers didn't ask any tough questions, in fact I can't remember them asking any questions.

The Democrats need to be asked where this reaction force would be based and which neighboring country has agreed to host such a force. I guarantee the Democrats haven't bothered to ask that question because this isn't about a real alternative to Bush's plan. It's only about scoring political points . Someone needs to expose their hypocrisy on this.


10 posted on 12/01/2005 8:57:25 AM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: slowhand520

Frankly, I think some Dems are throwing up trial balloons for Hillary on the war in Iraq. Notice Hil didn't utter a peep about Murtha's call for a pullout until AFTER the vote was taken and the firestorm of criticism erupted.


11 posted on 12/01/2005 8:57:46 AM PST by krazyrep (Demolib Playbook Rule #2: If you can't beat 'em, filibuster. If that doesn't work, go to court.)
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“Steny Hoyer, said if his boss had her way it "could lead to disaster, spawning a civil war”

Where Steny... there or HERE?!

12 posted on 12/01/2005 8:58:14 AM PST by johnny7 (“You have a corpse in a car, minus a head, in the garage. Take me to it.”)
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13 posted on 12/01/2005 8:58:42 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

The Kossacks also hate Kerry for what they think was a sleazy campaign to smear Howard Dean and deny him the Democrat nomination. But they sure didn't seem to mind Kerry's sleazy campaign when it tried to hawk fake National Guard memos to CBS or put togther the Joe Wilson lying tour.


14 posted on 12/01/2005 8:59:46 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (The Kerry/Lehane/Wilson/Grunwald/Cooper plot to destroy Karl Rove has failed!)
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To: slowhand520

Let's all send $2 to Kerry's Presidential Fund. If he thinks he actually has a chance, he'll keep doing these moronic stunts and trip up the rest of the party.


15 posted on 12/01/2005 9:00:15 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: atomicpossum

The Dems bring to mind the late Abba Eban's famous pronouncement about the Palestinians: They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.


16 posted on 12/01/2005 9:01:32 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (The Kerry/Lehane/Wilson/Grunwald/Cooper plot to destroy Karl Rove has failed!)
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To: saganite

Let me see if I have the Democrats plan right.

They plan to take the troops out of Iraq and station them somewhere in the Mid-East that is close to Iraq, so when the Civil War and the killing starts they can send them back to Iraq???


17 posted on 12/01/2005 9:01:33 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: dead

Nice picture, I like it.

I could see Hunter calling another pull out vote soon if these Dems keep talking this way. Pelosi needs to be careful what she wishes for. Hunter said if the games didn't stop in the rhetoric he would call another 403-3 type vote. Seems maybe that is needed.

All the hype in the media about this issue CONGRESS has the power to end our participation in this war at ANY TIME. If they truly believe that is the right thing to do as they claim, they would do so.


18 posted on 12/01/2005 9:02:41 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: krazyrep
If so those trial balloons are going down, as Keith Moon said once, "Like Led Zeppelins". Here inability to articulate any sort of position I think is troubling for her and her fans. She has been saying things like "we need a wait and see" method on troop withdrawal. Instead focusing on violence in video games. Hasn't been a good week for Madame Hillary
19 posted on 12/01/2005 9:03:17 AM PST by slowhand520
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The reason the Dems are coming apart at the moment is that in two weeks the Iraqis vote in a real government. Since nobody knows what form that's going to take exactly it's tough to adopt a safe posture condemning it without looking like an idiot. Fortunately the latter doesn't apply to anyone on the Kos.
20 posted on 12/01/2005 9:04:21 AM PST by Billthedrill
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