[clee1]

Someone really needs to beotch-slap these leftist Brits.

[Old Seadog]

"If it's in the Guardian then I guess we should pull out."

[An.American.Expatriate]

...he is the only non-American author on the US Army's list of required reading for officers.

I seriously dount this statement - IIRC Sun Tzu is on that list and certainly, many others as well.

[Prime Choice]

Ah, the Guardian. The same bunch of Leftist Euro-twits who thought they had a right to interfere with an American election by mailbombing Ohio residents. Yup...that sure worked, didn't it?

*snicker*

[Stayingawayfromthedarkside]

Doesn't this professor remember the wars that the Arab nations waged against Israel. They outnumbered Israel and they still got their butts kicked. I think this professor doesn't want to get killed by those muslim thugs. What a moron.

[highlander_UW]

Looks like some nut case Liberal accidentally wandered into a history section of a book store and thought that perhaps a historical reference might add credence to their insane screed. Silly Liberals.

[Berlin_Freeper]

These are people who in the year 2005 are still subjects of royalty.

Nuff said.

[Hugin]

The professor's puzzlement is understandable. More than two years after the war began, and despite the huge financial and human cost, it is difficult to see any real benefits.

A poll by an Iraqi university shows two thirds of Iraqis say their life is better off than under Saddam, and over 80% believe they will be better off a year from now. I guess they don't read the Guardian.

True, there is now a multi-party electoral system, but it has institutionalised and consolidated the country's ethnic, sectarian and tribal divisions - exactly the sort of thing that should be avoided when attempting to democratise.

As opposed to what? Trying to eliminate traditional ethnic, tribal and cultural structures that have been in place millenia? Oh, that would make our job much easier, I'm sure. Sounds kind of Marxist to me.

Worse still, in Iraq there is no equivalent of the North Vietnamese regime poised to take power.

Oh, no wonder it sounded Marxist. Yep, what a shame there is no Communist dictatorship on hand to crush all opposition and kill millions of Iraqis.

[jonrick46]

I wonder if this Martin van Creveld is tied into the Union, which represents the largest branch of Judaism in North America. Such has a long history of opposition to war and was the first religious organization to oppose the War in Vietnam. In 1965, the Union’s General Assembly called for a cease-fire in Vietnam; four years later, the General assembly demanded an immediate ceasefire and the withdrawal of all troops no later than December 31, 1970."

[AlexW]

I should have known from the title that this was typical leftist crap from The Guardian, the NYT of London.

This rag gives a bad name to fish wrap.

[Fenris6]

Professor van Creveld has previously drawn parallels between Iraq and Vietnam,

Thats his first mistake. Next moonbat please...

[Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek]

The full quote:

Into the Abyss
By Martin van Creveld

Martin van Creveld lives and teaches in Jerusalem. He has written several books that have influenced modern military theory, including Fighting Power, Command in War, and most significantly, The Transformation of War.

http://www.d-n-i.net/creveld/into_the_abyss.htm

[Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek]

Earlier interviews on the Israeli situation.

Interview with Martin van Creveld
Broadcast: 20/03/2002

Reporter: Jennifer Byrne

Professor Martin van Creveld, of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem is Israel's most prominent military historian. In this interview with Jennifer Byrne he claims that despite the recent increase in Israel's military operations, the huge Israeli defence forces will inevitably lose to the Palestinians.

Transcript

Byrne: Thanks for joining us tonight on Foreign Correspondent. How has it come to this, Martin... how is it that the mighty Israeli army – one of the world’s most powerful - with its helicopter gunships, with its tanks, with it’s missiles, can be losing to this relatively small, relatively under-armed if fanatical group of Palestinians?

http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/stories/s511530.htm

Dutch-Israeli Military Historian -
'We Are Destroying Ourselves'

"The following interview of the Jewish military historian Martin van Crefeld by the Dutch magazine Elsevier was discovered on Indymedia by one of our readers. The views and opinions revealed here expose Israeli policy with a frankness only possible for a Jew. (...) We recommend that our readers give careful study to this interview.

"The prominent Dutch magazine Elsevier has published a conversation with Dutch-Israeli military historian Martin van Creveld. The following has been translated from the Dutch [and then from the German]":

http://www.rense.com/general34/dutchisraelimilitary.htm

[PLMerite]

It amuses me when people with a hereditary monarch say anything about impeaching anybody.

[mylife]

You can always count on the guardian to publish looney claptrap

[x1stcav]

Limey poofter!

[Eighth Square]

Hmmmmmm!