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Analysts foresee bleak road ahead in Iraq (Two senior Army analysts)
ap on Yahoo ^ | 11/30/05 | Charles J. Hanley - ap

Posted on 11/30/2005 9:21:47 AM PST by NormsRevenge

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1 posted on 11/30/2005 9:21:48 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

I wonder what they would have thought at Pearl Harbor.


2 posted on 11/30/2005 9:23:15 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: NormsRevenge

Were they from the War College or the Waaaaaahhhhhhh College?


3 posted on 11/30/2005 9:24:15 AM PST by steel_resolve
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To: NormsRevenge

Actually these guys were wrong - there has been no harsh resistance and the majority of the fighting isn't "home grown".

Doesn't matter to the media though, they'll find whatever they want to enforce their own view.


4 posted on 11/30/2005 9:26:15 AM PST by linear
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To: steel_resolve

Now, I'm not military but someone explain to me:

"It appears increasingly unlikely that U.S., Iraqi and coalition forces will crush the insurgency prior to the beginning of a phased U.S. and coalition withdrawal."

How does one crush an insurgency while exiting the combat zone?

-"It is no longer clear that the United States will be able to create (Iraqi) military and police forces that can secure the entire country no matter how long U.S. forces remain."

Isn't like 85-90% of the country secure already?


5 posted on 11/30/2005 9:27:37 AM PST by DesignerChick
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To: NormsRevenge

They sound like George McClellan...well, sort of.

These are two fellows who should know better.


6 posted on 11/30/2005 9:29:14 AM PST by RexBeach ("The rest of the world is three drinks behind." -Humphrey Bogart)
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To: NormsRevenge

It's a good thing we didn't use big thinkers during the American Revolution.


7 posted on 11/30/2005 9:29:33 AM PST by kipita (Conservatives: Freedom and Responsibility………Liberals: Freedom from Responsibility)
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To: popdonnelly

"You're going to what? You're going to fool the Japanese into giving away their plan to attack Midway by planting a fake message?" "They'll never fall for that. And besides, it's disinformation. I'm putting your stupid idea on the six o'clock news".

That's what they'd have done.


8 posted on 11/30/2005 9:31:31 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: popdonnelly

"You're going to what? You're going to fool the Japanese into giving away their plan to attack Midway by planting a fake message?" "They'll never fall for that. And besides, it's disinformation. I'm putting your stupid idea on the six o'clock news".

That's what they'd have done.


9 posted on 11/30/2005 9:31:54 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: RexBeach

McClellan was the Wesley Clark of the 19th century.


10 posted on 11/30/2005 9:32:07 AM PST by JillValentine (Western liberals who sympathize with terrorists are kissing the ass that farts on them.)
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To: NormsRevenge


The "resistance" is mostly in 3 provinces,mostly sunni,

and is getting weaker.We know this because the terrorists

are basically suing for peace.They`ve put out

feelers,asking to join the political process and

elections.


11 posted on 11/30/2005 9:33:40 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: DesignerChick

"Isn't like 85-90% of the country secure already?"

Yeah, but there is still 10-15% that isn't, and that's all the dums. care about.


12 posted on 11/30/2005 9:33:43 AM PST by mothball
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To: kipita
These two guys are Academics not Military, they don't wear uniforms only talk about the book aspects of whats going on. Need to find their political affiliation.
13 posted on 11/30/2005 9:34:01 AM PST by snowman1
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To: linear

The majority of the fighting is homegrown.

The comparisons to WWII are absurd, as well.


14 posted on 11/30/2005 9:34:58 AM PST by Sometimes A River (Your hands and feet are mangoes, but you're gonna be a genius anyway)
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To: NormsRevenge

So Saddam and Sons gave Iraq and the ME a bright future????

Only the US brings bleakness?????????????

Good grief.


15 posted on 11/30/2005 9:36:07 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: RexBeach
These are two fellows who should know better.

Yes! Don't listen to two professional analysts at the War College, who do this for a living! "Waaaaah, I can't heeeeeeear yoooooooo!"

Instead, a parade of BS politicians is the only source of policy, information and communication we need.

Our job is to be present in Islamic sh@%holes forever, babysitting medieval morons, handing out toys and getting picked off on the roads. Nothing less will do.

16 posted on 11/30/2005 9:37:04 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: NormsRevenge
armed resistance to an occupation would grow, a harsh American response would further alienate Iraqis, and establishing political stability would prove difficult."

Huh? Did they predict foreign fighters? NO---they thought that the LOCAL IRAQIS would not support us. (Cue Sen. Byrd, "Wrong! Wrong!")

Disbanding the Iraqi army was PRECISELY the right thing to do---it's exactly what we did in Japan. You could not allow the Sunni/Saddamites to be rewarded for supporting him.

17 posted on 11/30/2005 9:39:36 AM PST by LS
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-"It is no longer clear that the United States will be able to create (Iraqi) military and police forces that can secure the entire country no matter how long U.S. forces remain."-

No matter how long we remain? That's a ridiculous statement, and collapses all their other arguments.


18 posted on 11/30/2005 9:41:49 AM PST by AmericanChef
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I`d rather know what the boots on the ground think.And we know what they think:

in a survey last month from the U.S.-based International Republican Institute, 47% of Iraqis polled said their country was headed in the right direction, as opposed to 37% who said they thought that it was going in the wrong direction. And 56% thought things would be better in six months. Only 16% thought they would be worse.

American soldiers are also much more optimistic than American civilians. The Pew Research Center and the Council on Foreign Relations just released a survey of American elites that found that 64% of military officers are confident that we will succeed in establishing a stable democracy in Iraq. The comparable figures for journalists and academics are 33% and 27%, respectively.

Even more impressive than the Pew poll is the evidence of how our service members are voting with their feet. Although both the Army and the Marine Corps are having trouble attracting fresh recruits — no surprise, given the state of public opinion regarding Iraq — reenlistment rates continue to exceed expectations. Veterans are expressing their confidence in the war effort by signing up to continue fighting.


19 posted on 11/30/2005 9:43:18 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: DesignerChick
Isn't like 85-90% of the country secure already?

Maybe, but most of that has been "secure" for more than two years now. The most disturbing aspect of the ongoing U.S. military operations is the recurring activity in the 10%-15% that has never been "secure." Just go back to early 2003 and think of how many times the Pentagon has announced a "new offensive in Ramadi/Fallujah/etc." -- which means a lot of the military action today is in places where costly battles had already been fought in the last 2+ years. That's not a sign of progress in any sense of the word.

20 posted on 11/30/2005 9:43:40 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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