Your papers... zey are not... in order.
Posted on 11/29/2005 12:32:57 PM PST by CedarDave
Your papers... zey are not... in order.
It's worth bearing in mind that out-of-control governments have killed over 100 million people in the last 100 years.
Asking your ID is unreasonably instrusive? Ill ask you the same thing I asked another poster, is that ID yours or is it theirs?
Yes they had valid ID's buit but visas were another story. You just made a good case for making sure that databases are tied together, You just made a case for a national ID.
I would offer to you that it is settled law that asking you for ID is not unreasonable. I concur with that finding.
Not at all, you can still refuse under your 5th. Pleading the fifth doesnt stop you from being arrested. ;)
You make attempt to pin this on the 4th and then the 5th when indeed it is inbetween.
I notice you still offer no alternative, why is that?
I would not disagree with your post. But i do not subscribe to the idea that our founding fathers wanted a society where a peace officer could not even ask a person who they are. I do not think a good case can be made that did. I also do not think a case can be made that they would find simply asking for your ID ,and detaining you until such time it can be determined, would qualify as unreasonable.
OK you wnt HITLER....so tell me what was the PURPOSE of hitlers requirement and what was to be done with the information.
Next what is the purpose of us doing it now and what will be done with the information?
your comparison belongs at moveon.org. As the premise is blatantly flawed.
Oh man, are you ever naive. They were founded to protect communists. Now they use cases like this to pay their light bills.
"The makers of the Constitution conferred the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by all civilized men—the right to be let alone."
-JUSTICE LOUIS D. BRANDEIS
According to Thomas Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence, one of the "repeated injuries and usurpations" committed against the American people by the King of England was the erecting of "a multitude of New Offices, and . . . swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance."
The purpose of Hitler's requirement was to identify and apprehend threats to his authoritarian power.
I have no doubt that the officials who are pursuing these policies are doing so for the most noble and beneficient of reasons. But as Washington said, government is like fire - it is a dangerous servant and a terrible master. That's why they set up the Constitution in the way that they did, so that usurpations such as these would be challenged.
I offer no alternative because it's not my job to come up with ways to apprehend terrorists and criminals that do not shred the Constitution. They're the ones who swore an oath to support and defend it.
""but why these ass clowns (ACLU)get involved EVERY single time is beyond me.""
It's just like jesse and al.. They make a living off of doing this and get paid by taxpayer money to do it. Comes from your pocket. Imagine waking up everyday and your job is to find people to sue because it is what you do for a living....
Here, do something about it:
www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/ACLU
I am not an expert, but I am inclined to go with the bus rider here. Check ID getting off the bus in the center, maybe, but just passing through? No.
The event took place on Sept. 26. When does the article come out? Today, the day the President visits Denver. A large article, complete with large photo of the poor woman. The Denver Post is a lib rag. Just another attention mongering lib, wake up.
Connect the dots.
You're new here, aren't you?
The Denver Post and the Rocky Mountain News are the same paper, by the way.
Karen Abbott is a lib loon, google her, and check her articles.
This is a set-up.
The Fed center leases unused office space to private companies to save taxpayer money, that's why the bus goes in there.
The Feds are selling off 224 acres of the 645 acre site. when that sale is complete, separate entrances and gates will do away with this problem.
ACLU will be along soon to take this case. Great.
Meanwhile, we catch and release Mexicans and anyone else that wants to trapse across our southern border.
And? Is she wrong? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day and even the ACLU does something right now and then despite their best efforts.
Is this a setup like the Texas sodomy case? I wonder if the cops were provoked.
If I had to vote, I'd vote on the side of privacy. Yet, if asked to show my ID to the cops, I'd have no problem with that, unless maybe they were acting belligerantly.
Yes, she's wrong. I go there all the time. I am happy to show my ID, and reassure the security personnel who are protecting me, the facility, and everyone who goes there. The ID is not the issue. Security personnel are trained to notice nervousness in people when they are asked for ID. IDs can be faked, asking for the ID is a trigger for a nervous person. She should have the courtesy to show the ID and get on with her life.
People must accept responsibility for the consequences of their choices and/or actions.
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