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1 posted on 11/28/2005 8:20:46 PM PST by Graybeard58
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Border control, blah, blah, blah...amnesty program.

Idiot.


2 posted on 11/28/2005 8:22:38 PM PST by Nachum (go White Sox!)
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And, she added, "We have no business discussing guest worker programs until we can actually prevent illegal entry."

She "gets it"

3 posted on 11/28/2005 8:24:02 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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"I understand that, but people in this debate must recognize that we will not be able to effectively enforce our immigration laws until we create a temporary worker program."

GWB, YOU must recognize that we're not going to fall for the bait and switch routine that was pullied in 1986.

ENFORCE OUR BORDERS FORCE! DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS!!

Then we can talk about a guest worker program. Until then, you can take your shamnesty proposal and pound sand.
4 posted on 11/28/2005 8:24:18 PM PST by flashbunny (To err is human. But to really screw something up, have the government try to fix it.)
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5 posted on 11/28/2005 8:27:24 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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a dual plan he hopes will appease the social conservatives and business leaders who are his core supporters.

Sometimes Dubya really dissappoints me. He continues to try to keep both sides happy, and it STILL aint workin'.

7 posted on 11/28/2005 8:28:01 PM PST by Just Lori (End the leftist occupation of America!)
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Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Kyl support an alternative proposal that would require illegal immigrants to return to their home country to apply for a temporary worker program.

And those people who do so voluntarily should be given fast-track to get back in. The rest should be forcibly deported and charged a hefty fee/fine for their Guest Worker Visa to get back in, if they're allowed back in at all.

8 posted on 11/28/2005 8:31:07 PM PST by DTogo (Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
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"...should not have to choose between a welcoming society and a lawful society," Bush said "We can have both at the same time."

Yeah right. Change the laws to make them "legal" and otherwise accomodate them. Jeb will explain it allto them in spanish during 2008. /cynicism intended and justified


9 posted on 11/28/2005 8:31:34 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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'Here's My Donation!' by Jay D. Dyson

"Here's My Donation!"


10 posted on 11/28/2005 8:33:46 PM PST by Icelander (Legal Resident Since 2004)
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While immigration can and does have beneficial aspects, it seems to me that almost nobody in government understands that it can have destructive aspects as well.

Is it beneficial to have so many people from a foreign nation swarm an area, that they cannot assimilate since the community the live in has essentialy become a foreign enclave on U.S. soil?

Is it beneficial to have millions of working poor in our nation that cannot support themselves, cannot pay to educate their children, cannot pay for heathcare, cannot house feed or cloth themselves?

Is it beneficial to gourge our schools with so many children of recent immigrants, that we cannot build enough schools to house them all?

Some immigration is a great thing. What we are experiencing today is not. Stating that we need to increase the number of job related visas, and we need to increase the number of green cards that lead to citizenship, and saying that we need to provide so many legal work permits that illegal immigration is no longer necessary, raises some very serious questions.

The implaction is that we haven't seen anthing yet with regard to the flooding of this nation with foreign nationals. And if that's the case, things are going to get worse rather than better. And the destruction will be legal, sanctioned by a federal government so out of control that it can ram much more radical socialism down our throats without fear of objection from long term U.S. citizens.


11 posted on 11/28/2005 8:33:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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Well, anything from the AP's Nedra Pickler should be posted under humor.

Bush has been abysmal on the borders BUT...(Here me out FReepers I'm not waffling but looking at this from Bush's point of view)...

Bush is simply not the type of person who advocates rounding up illegals and returning them home en masse. That's just reality. I trust him when he says that this is not an amnesty. Those who are here illegally will have no choice but to sign up and register if they want to work in this country. As far as them staying beyond the guest-worker term, I don't know. Unfortunately, some illegals will violate the provision and stay. But IMO, most illegals will meekly leave after their term is up and get in line if they want citizenship. After all, they're already in the U.S. database and can be easily tracked.

But even the most die-hard supporter of defending the borders has to concede that there has to be some type of rigid, strict temporary guest-worker program here. Give the illegals who are currently here a biometric Federal I.D. that expires after two years, and place them in a special income tax bracket.

Yes, Bush should have responded to the border crisis immediately after 9/11. Yes, Bush's plan doesn't go far enough. But I'm willing to give him a chance and see what happens.

12 posted on 11/28/2005 8:35:04 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (JOE WILSON IS A MUTHAFAKING LIAR)
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He said he is providing border agents with cutting-edge technology like overhead surveillance drones and infrared cameras, while at the same time constructing simple physical barriers to entry.

I'll believe it when I see it.

13 posted on 11/28/2005 8:36:01 PM PST by kstewskis ("Thank you ladies and gentlemen, you've been a wonderful audience" ...Rocky Rhodes)
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that we will not be able to effectively enforce our immigration laws until we create a temporary worker program.

Or in plain English, we're going to solve the illegal immigration problem by changing what we call them to "guest worker."

14 posted on 11/28/2005 8:36:06 PM PST by jordan8
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Yeaaaaaaaaah suuuuuuuuure.


15 posted on 11/28/2005 8:36:12 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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This just in, "Clinton announces crackdown on sexual harassment."


18 posted on 11/28/2005 8:36:59 PM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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President Bush said Monday he wants to crack down on those who enter the country illegally

We keep hearing these promises that action will be taken after the amnesty program takes effect.

President Bush: we love you, but please...no more. Take action on the illegals we have now and quit trying to act like you're throwing us a bone. We're tired of being faked out.

21 posted on 11/28/2005 8:40:29 PM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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Quit TALKING platitudes, Mr. President and DO SOMETHING concrete about it.


23 posted on 11/28/2005 8:41:01 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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Talk is cheap Senor Presidente....


24 posted on 11/28/2005 8:42:50 PM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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Disappointing at best.


36 posted on 11/28/2005 9:05:33 PM PST by Tarpon
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Betcha he cracks down on me (grandson of Polish immigrants) before he cracks down on them.


41 posted on 11/28/2005 9:44:55 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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yada yada yada


42 posted on 11/28/2005 10:16:04 PM PST by Digger (Outsource CONgress)
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