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Bush Outlines Border Security Plan
FOX News ^ | 11/28/2005 | Wendell Goler, James Rosen

Posted on 11/28/2005 2:39:24 PM PST by Brian_Baldwin

Bush Outlines Border Security Plan
Monday, November 28, 2005

CRAWFORD, Texas — Trying to unify a fractious Republican Party headed to midterm elections with wide differences over how to best deal with illegal immigration, President Bush was in Tucson, Ariz., on Monday to say America shouldn't have to choose between a welcoming society and a lawful one.

"Securing our border is essential to securing our homeland. And I want to thank all of those who are working around the clock to defend our border, to enforce our laws and to uphold the values of the United States of America. America is grateful to those on the front lines enforcing the border," Bush said at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in the first of two speeches on border control.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176879,00.html

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; wot
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To: mthom

"Why do you think that the "guest workers" should be given the option of citizenship after 3 years?"

Because they paid a coyote $1000 or more just to get here for our public services and jobs!!









/sarc


241 posted on 11/28/2005 5:53:07 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: o_zarkman44
A real change to deter illegal immigration is to severely penalize employers who hire illegal immigrants

That is the most logical solution to the problem. Fine employers of illegal immigrants $5000 for each one hired.
12,000,000 illegals X 5000 = 60 billion. If all the fines are earmarked for the Feds you can bet the Dims will vote for it.
242 posted on 11/28/2005 6:01:31 PM PST by jerry639
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To: gitmogrunt

first Mexican customs facility in the United States
http://www.insidebayarea.com/businessnews/ci_3254225 ^ | 11/27/2005 | Garance Burke


Posted on 11/27/2005 4:42:00 PM PST by cope85


New Kansas City customs port may expedite trade with Mexico Region hopes to capitalize on growing cross-border trade By Garance Burke, Associated Press

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Shipping American cars and electronics to Mexico may become much cheaper and faster early next year when the first Mexican customs facility in the United States is expected to open in the heart of the Midwest. It may be nearly 1,000 miles to the border from Kansas City, but this industrial hub will soon start building an inland port that would whisk thousands of trucks through export inspections and shoot them back out onto the North American Free Trade Agreement corridor, where they can roll through the border without further delays.

The $3 million facility, which would be the first foreign customs office inside the United States, will likely be approved by the U.S. and Mexican governments by year's end and is scheduled to open next May, said Chris Gutierrez, president of Kansas City SmartPort Inc., a nonprofit organization promoting the project.

Planners say manufacturing industries in the upper Midwest and Canada would be the first to benefit from the new customs operation, which they believe could expand to handle cargo from across the country.

Mexican government officials confirmed the two countries had agreed on the overall proposal, though both nations said finer points of the agreement were still being negotiated by customs officials — including security concerns and the legal standing of Mexican customs officials working in the United States.

After a visit to Kansas City in May, U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Robert C. Bonner said the pilot proposal was "bold and imaginative" and could transform Kansas City into a "major new trade link" that would fit well with new border security initiatives to pre-approve cargo.

"We've always had the railroad and the river and the airlines and the roads, but this will open up tremendous new business opportunities for Kansas City," said Kansas City councilwoman Bonnie Sue Cooper, who said she proposed the idea to the Mexican Finance Minister Francisco Gil Diaz last year.

In the 1940s, Kansas City — at the intersection of two major interstate highways along the Missouri River — was one of the country's largest rail distribution centers.

Now plans are to fill a gravel lot that once held cattle with a big-box building that will process long lines of big rigs packed with goods for export to Mexico.

Providing the containers stay electronically sealed once they're inspected, the trucks will be free to cross the border and avoid further inspections, resulting in efficiencies and cost savings.

"Kansas City is the geographical

heart of the United States and of the entire NAFTA region," said Everardo Suarez, Mexican consul general in Kansas City. Once the agreement is completed, Kansas City would essentially function like a Mexican port.

The transition to the global economy comes just in time: since the city's stockyards and airline industry declined, it has been struggling to rebuild itself as a leader in global logistics.

"I think this project would go a long way to transform trucking," said Chaz Jones, a research analyst with Morgan Keegan, a Memphis investment bank. "Truckers typically get paid per mile. The more time cargo spends moving on the road, the more revenue it generates for a carrier."

In recent months, delays at the hurricane-damaged port of New Orleans and bottlenecks at Long Beach and Los Angeles have caused companies to look for alternative trade routes. Industry analysts said Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is one of several companies moving freight through Mexico as an alternative to using West Coast ports; Wal-Mart spokespeople would not confirm the move.

Because so much trade between NAFTA partners is carried by truck, Midwestern cities with good transportation infrastructure stand to capture some of that trade flow.

In August 2005, trucks carried 64 percent of imports from Canada and Mexico and 80 percent of U.S. exports to those countries, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics.

San Antonio has also invested significant efforts to develop a competing inland port. But Kansas City officials hope the customs facility will give the city a leg up, especially once the project's second phase, which will allow rail cars to clear Mexican customs as well, is completed.

Kansas City Southern owns two Mexican train lines which means they can send freight from the Midwest directly to the Mexican port of Lazaro Cardenas, where car manufacturer Mazda Motor Corp. has begun shipping vehicles from Japan to Kansas City.

"There might not be enough volume to open a rail facility today, but we certainly expect that will increase in the next few years," said Warren Erdman, a vice president at Kansas City Southern. "We have great interest in the proposal."


243 posted on 11/28/2005 6:02:40 PM PST by cope85
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To: cope85

"Once the agreement is completed, Kansas City would essentially function like a Mexican port."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..........
Chilling to read this. The sellout is not even being hidden from us.


244 posted on 11/28/2005 6:05:37 PM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: ConsentofGoverned

sellout of America, it is


245 posted on 11/28/2005 6:07:48 PM PST by cope85
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To: teawithmisswilliams
"Yes. I would make one addition: completely prohibit any muslim immigration until islam reforms itself into something compatible with Western civilization."

Ok, how on Earth would you enforce this? Going to quiz people on their beliefs at the airport? Do you honestly believe those with intent to harm US interests will tell you the truth?
246 posted on 11/28/2005 6:13:17 PM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: mthom
Anybody else hate the word "homeland"? I was fine with having a COUNTRY.

Yes!

247 posted on 11/28/2005 6:21:07 PM PST by tapatio
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To: calex59

>>>I don't like the Presidents border policy either but Kerry would have had you screwed from day one. Do you honestly think Kerry would be closing the border right now if he was in office? Go back to DU with your BS.<<<

I'm a conservative, sonny. Why would I want to hang around your buddies at DU?


248 posted on 11/28/2005 6:25:37 PM PST by PhilipFreneau ("The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. " - Psalms 14:1, 53:1)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Both President Bush and Minority Leader Pelosi use the word "comprehensive" which is apparently the code word for "guest worker" and/or "amnesty."

Nada about sending employers to jail.


249 posted on 11/28/2005 6:27:47 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: ndt
most countries do.

List the countries, Please!

250 posted on 11/28/2005 6:40:56 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: clawrence3
So, you are suggesting that the 14th (actually 13th and 15th as well) are no longer applicable to like situations because all the slaves have died?!

Well when the first S--- you throw at the wall doesn't stick, grab another handful and throw again.

251 posted on 11/28/2005 6:51:25 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: PhilipFreneau
I am a conservative and watch who you are calling sonny a**wipe. Me, hang out at DU? I am not the one who is complaining that he should have voted for Kerry. You are the DUer, moaning about how you are just sick for voting for Bush. I voted for him, I voted for the most conservative candidate, Bush was it.

Now, if you are through beating your breast like a little girl and being "sick" for having voted for Bush, run back to your friends on DU and try to stay there this time. Oh, yeah, grow up a little will you?

252 posted on 11/28/2005 7:10:01 PM PST by calex59 (Seeing the light shouldn't make you blind...)
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To: NJ_gent
Ok, how on Earth would you enforce this? Going to quiz people on their beliefs at the airport? Do you honestly believe those with intent to harm US interests will tell you the truth?

I'm well aware that muslims lie to advance their religion/totalitarian movement. However, you could ban immigration from muslims countries, with the exception of those persecuted because they're not muslim, you could deny entry to those named "Mohamed," you could make it clear that muslims are not wanted, and you would make a big dent in their numbers. Pretending they are the same as other immigrants is suicidal.

253 posted on 11/28/2005 7:21:10 PM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: Jorge
Almost all of that fence has been constructed, (and it works)except for the small portion by the ocean.

Current estimated cost for the same fence along the Mexican border is roughly 3 billion dollars and can be completed in less than two years.

Hell, over 60 years ago, we built the Alaskan HWY in way less than a year.
254 posted on 11/28/2005 7:30:47 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Jorge
"You make it sound like Bush is neutral on the issue.
Not true."

Au contrair, I believe Bush is not neutral, certainly not positive, I think he is totally negative about actually securing the border. He has had his arse draped in that chair in the oval office for almost five years, and has done naught. He only is only giving lip service now to put some oil upon troubled waters to appease the awakening sheeple.
255 posted on 11/28/2005 7:37:40 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: clawrence3

"Where you are wrong is that the federal government can abridge them or deprive any person of life, liberty, or proerty without due process of law, nor deny the equal protection of the laws (see, e.g. Amendments 1 - 10"

That is covered under the Fifth Amenedment isn't it, not the 14th?

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:jwWDDIu2HeYJ:caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/+fifth+amendment&hl=en


256 posted on 11/28/2005 7:42:00 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: PhilipFreneau

I wish that were the case. Alas, too many Republicans believe in this limpwristed border strategy. They'd reach a compromise that isn't acceptable to you and me. Tancredo and similarly principled folks wouldn't stand for it, but there aren't enough of them.


257 posted on 11/28/2005 7:48:04 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: bray
Jorge, this thread is for Bush haters only.

What a foolish and ignorant thing to say. I voted for Bush in both 2000 and 2004 and I have supported him on just about every issue. But on the issue of illegal immigration, I disagree with Bush. Disagreeing with Bush on illegal immigration doesn't mean that I hate Bush, just as disagreeing with my wife on an important issue doesn't mean that I hate my wife.

258 posted on 11/28/2005 7:49:21 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: ndt
If you mean giving residency (or at least expediting it) to people with children born within their borders, most countries do.

Not so fast: according to this article, for example, no European nation does.

259 posted on 11/28/2005 7:50:52 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: org.whodat
"List the countries, Please!"

Are you lazy or what man? Google it.

A two second search comes up with this list (incomplete) of countries that give full citizenship for being born on their soil include

Argentina
Brazil
Cameroon
Canada
India
Ireland
Jamaica
Mexico
New Zeland
Pakistan
Spain
United States
Venezuela

Many others do if the parents are residents (not citizens, but legal residents) but I'll leave some of the work to you....

you can start here.

http://canada.metropolis.net/events/metropolis_presents/EU_speakers/weil2_e.htm
260 posted on 11/28/2005 8:14:25 PM PST by ndt
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