Talk about sophmoric.
This ranting paragraph contributes nothing but personal insults to the discussion.
Not a single fact or shred of information even challenging the post.
I made no attempt to "contribute". I suggested to an ill informed partisan that loyalty ("Great speech! That is the Bush I love!!!") was no substitute for substance in a discussion of policy.
As an example a reply containing sound reasoning supported by an understanding of historical events from the mid 80's, was offered by a long time contributor:
"what does creating a worker permit program do? It makes every illegal already here, "LEGAL". They will be able to get a work permit and legitimization . Will a government that REFUSES to send people home today, do it in six years when the worker permit expires? This just punts the ball down the road and makes it possible for millions more foreign nationals to enter the United States via a legal vs an illegal flood of humanity. Each of them will be legal, and not a single one will EVER be asked to leave the U.S. Bush has just committed to legitimizing a human flood of Mexican and south American immigrants into this nation that will never leave."
To this reasoned response the partisan hack offered: "It allows the people to remain for a limited time only!!! Hardly amnesty!"; with no reference to whose policy or its date of presentation.
Another informed Freeper suggested that Bush might simply: "say he's going to enforce the laws on the books and stop pandering to illegal aliens."
The hack responded: "Reagan endorsed amnesty. Bush said quite clearly that the laws ARE to be strictly enforced. Were you even listening!!??? Did you hear the stats he read off about the improvements he HAS made during his 5 years???!!! offering no disclaimer of Reagan's admissions regarding his role in the the IRCA nor any substantiation of the facts presented during Bush's litany today or these "stats" relational significance to the problem at hand.
I enjoy these discussions and profit from them but two things will not pass lightly.
1) Party hacks substituting obedience and loyalty for reason on a conservative forum
2) Republican loyalists intervening on a conservative forum expecting forum members to defer to their abuse.
Thanks for the reply:)