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To: spectre
it is the pay they refuse to work

Several years ago a federal law was enforced paper wise which required that an applicant had to show a social security card - the original, not a copy, nor could it be laminated. They also had to have a photo id issued by the state or federal government. Then he/she signed it as being true and the person hiring them also had to sign it as a witness to having viewed the documents. If those required documents were not kosher, the employer who signed the paperwork was subject to a $10,000 fine and/or jail time. FEDERAL LAW that is already in place but is it enforced?

No, Americans are not lazy and I did not say they were. I said the young Americans who turn down the work/pay rate that I was speaking of have not bought into a work ethic yet. However, they want to start out with the luxuries that their parents worked for years to attain. In the meantime, the Mexicans - legal or otherwise - are happy to take these jobs. So when all is said, you don't have an answer either, do you?

242 posted on 11/28/2005 3:50:02 PM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: daybreakcoming
The ten thousand dollar penalties are opposed in court with their defense being they have no reliable way to tell if their documents are forgeries.....that is one HUGE issue that Prop 200 in Arizona solved. It put the responsiblity for checking on the officials in local and state government to INSURE the documents are REAL(to the tune of JAIL TIME i might add).....this needs to be applied to business also.

I showed the the very escence of work ethic with my example sir. Dollar earned for time worked. You seem to think that the younguns need to forfiet that fair minded idea to transfer profits to the older folks that have the stocks.

Who is the socialist here???

I do have the answer. Close the borders with military force as needed. Yank business licenses for all those shown to hire ILLEGAL workers. Real ID is part of this effort. Along with the ability of law enforcement and employers to ask to see that ID for verification purposes. Walls like those in Israel need built. A change in the interpratation of the 14th to make it clear that illegal people having children in the USA does not imply or grant citizenship, now or later on. Noone without valid USA Identification will be granted access to any type of public facilities...that means water supplies, that means parks,that means WELFARE, that means healthcare, that means EVERYTHING.

Free market is the answer for wages. A level playing field with the illegal labor force removed is prudent.

It really is this simple. Labor shows what they create in dollars and show why they are not being compensated properly for that labor. As a part of that negotiation employers show where the profits are going to justify the wages they offer. If they refuse to up the wages, with no illegal workforce to draw from, then NO LABOR is created at all and the profits they were trying to reap are gone alltogether. They will not even think of that option and thus wages for labor will rise.

Everyone that works deserves what it is they worked for sir. There is NO deeper work ethic than earning what it is you collect. Can you offer one?
254 posted on 11/28/2005 4:04:21 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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