Posted on 11/28/2005 1:55:47 PM PST by TCats
They say better late than never but......
Only if liberals like you keep perpetuating the lies. See my other posts and try to STFU.
On the contrary. I live 50 miles from the mexican border. I would love to see it sealed tight, and THEN wages would rise (or automation be invented) until supply and demand equalized. I abhor illegals entering America and taking work that makes them wealthy (compared to the pennies a day wages available in Mexico) whiloe allowing employers to offer wages that no American could live on.
I like GWB on foreign policy and think he sucks on domestic issues - with illegal immigration near the top of the suck list. And that is why I object to GWB's "jobs Americans won't take" line - because the full sentence would be "jobs Americans cannot afford to take at Mexican wages".
My son is an entry level employee right now, and mexicans living 10 to an apartment, sending their money to families in Mexico, are his primary competitors. If we sealed the borders, our prices would rise so employers could pay american wages, which is what I think should happen.
Well considering President Bush had the U.S. military invade and overthrow the tyrants of two countries, when he said he would, I would say he has more substantive impact when he wants something done than previous U.S. Presidents.
You make an excellent point. Paying higher wages means higher costs for everything, resulting in those who got the higher wages not gaining any ground and everyone else loses ground, especially the elderly on fixed incomes.
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I wasn't endorsing any of the options, just stating that they occur.
No one can control what the markets will do. Every person runs a certain amount of risk that there may be a glut of his or her skill set in the local market for whatever reason and has to consider a plan b of action should the worst occur.
THe only way our prices rise is if those in control of the profits, the 'suits' as I like to call them; try to keep the exact same bottom line that they do now.
After that post it sure seems to me that we agree on mnore than we disagree on. For if those mexicans weren't there your son's labor would be a more valued commodity and he would be paid more.
I can tell you why the housing prices are so high. A realtor explained it to me. Let's say a house is about to come on the market and there's no competition. That is the type, size and neighborhood are unique in the market.
What the realtor will do is jack up the price over what someone might ordinarily charge. The house sells, because it's a unique item. Then other houses in the same neighborhood in a similar situation try to charge the same or more. Soon there's a glut, and then the price comes down a little (but not much). Then the later houses may be better and larger, but per square foot may be less than the first house. But the pattern is established.
This happens over and over and over. So it's clear why so many who look at the real estate market are concerned that there's a bubble that is going to burst.
You make an excellent point. Paying higher wages means higher costs for everything, resulting in those who got the higher wages not gaining any ground and everyone else loses ground, especially the elderly on fixed incomes.
We are paying more in taxes now and thus subsidizing businesses that use and exploit illegals. If wages rise for those who are paying taxes, less will use public services than now. Our standard of living will increase, not decrease as it is going now...I'd rather Americans have better paying jobs and have my hamburger cost a couple cents more. Using illegals is equivelent to outsourcing in the USA, and it undermines our middle class.
I'm tired of paying for illegals education and medical care and taxes they don't pay.
maybe the suits at Mcdonalds are taking a bit too much of the profits with their multi million dollar PAYCHECKS. Now go on and tell me they do not do so. SHEESH.
Claim prices will go up, claim inflation is a reason not to take action....that is not unlike the clinon reasons for taking on terrorism. People need to understand that if you KEEP ON ignoring labor they WILL sit down and not even an illegal labor force will help you keep this nation afloat.
This nation was built on a fair days pay for a fair day worked. Too many have lost their way on that very basic principle wanting to take all the profit from the labor of others instead of their own. It isn't the average joe that is afraid to work, it is the 'suits'that think everyone ESLS has to work so their stocks rise in value!
Yes, Bush has moved right on the issue- so now he occupies the same space as Vicente Fox.
I would offer that allowing the illegal labor force to continue and allowing it to even augment is manipulation of the job market occuring as we speak.
Plan B is always a good idea.
Too bad, because W will be running for Presidente in Mexico in 2008.
(sarcasm)That is an oxymoron considering Mr. Fox is left of Karl Marx (though right of the liberals/socialists in the U.S. press and U.S. government).
I would offer up this as a counter balance preventing a bubble from bursting in a rapid fashion.
Two words.
Property tax.
You apparently don't know the existing laws. They are a big part of the problem. The catch and release program is a major part of it and that is law, not policy.
I agree that the president inherited his policy of disgraceful indifference to border security. But after perpetuating that policy for five years and being rather antagonistic to those who disagree, he now ~owns~ the policy.
It is true, as you say, that the president has had a great deal on his plate. But for many Americans, the need to secure the borders is just behind (and related to) the war on terror as a top priority. All presidents are busy. A laundry list of the president's challenges does nothing to diminish my dissatisfaction that he has ignored one of his very most important responsibilities.
(I don't use Dim talking points. On balance, I continue to support the president although he has disappointed me substantially in some ways. But I keep in mind the alternatives, and I am thankful to have him. I posted my honest and personal reaction as I listened to him.)
Good post LK. I feel much the same way you do. I would offer also that CONGRESS has significant powers to deal with this issue that the President does not have. Thus, as I do for 9 11, I lay ultimate responsibility at the feet of the congress. But, it sure would be nice to see W stand up and call on Mexico to get in gear and help solve this issue in a realistic way.
Thanks, Blue. Yes, we do seem to be in sync here. I was admiring your numerous earlier posts.
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