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A must read. Has a timeline of Islamic actions through history and debunks the crusaders did it to us theory. I should send it to the History Channel... sarc off>
1 posted on 11/28/2005 6:08:48 AM PST by AliVeritas
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To: AliVeritas

You really should send it. Send it every five minutes. We should all send it and flood them with email.


2 posted on 11/28/2005 6:15:28 AM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: AliVeritas

Islam is always imperialist. Some say Islam was concocted to divinely justify 7th century Arab imperialist conquest, though it's much beyond that these days


3 posted on 11/28/2005 6:17:52 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: AliVeritas
Conclusion

Though European Crusaders may have been sincere, they wandered off from the origins of Christianity when they slashed and burned and forced conversions. Jesus never used violence; neither did he call his disciples to use it. Given this historical fact, it is only natural that the New Testament would never endorse violence to spread the word of the true God. Textual reality matches historical reality in the time of Jesus.

In contrast, Muslims who slashed and burned and forced conversions did not wander off from the origins of Islam, but followed it closely. It is a plain and unpleasant historical fact that in the ten years that Muhammad lived in Medina (622-632), he either sent out or went out on seventy-four raids, expeditions, or full-scale wars, which range from small assassination hit squads to the Tabuk Crusade, described above (see 630). Sometimes the expeditions did not result in violence, but a Muslim army always lurked in the background. Muhammad could exact a terrible vengeance on an individual or tribe that double-crossed him. These ten years did not know long stretches of peace.

It is only natural that the Quran would be filled with references to jihad and qital, the latter word meaning only fighting, killing, warring, and slaughtering. Textual reality matches historical reality in the time of Muhammad. And after.

But this means that the Church had to fight back or be swallowed up by an aggressive religion over the centuries. Thus, the Church did not go out and conquer in a mindless, bloodthirsty, and irrational way—though the Christian Crusades were far from perfect.

Islam was the aggressor in its own Crusades, long before the Europeans responded with their own.

Muslim countries believe in something that is the polar opposite of Christianity. Example:

Muslim works to get to heaven vs Christian grace to get to heaven

Muslim conversion by man vs Christian conversion by spirit

Muslim "moon god" vs Christian "son god"

Muslim "allah's will" vs Christian "free choice"

Mohammed on the other hand - himself was a cruel man who committed numerous atrocities and created a religion based not on love, but cruelty to non-believers. And, that god will attract all that worship at the altar of depravity, cruelty, torture, and death to others.

Leaving aside the religious differences, Islam kills every society it comes in contact with. It instills fatalism, a virtual caste system because of its hereditary religious structure, and induces total paralysis because of its hatred of music, art and creativity.

4 posted on 11/28/2005 6:21:56 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Pride in the USA

ping for later read


5 posted on 11/28/2005 6:27:15 AM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: AliVeritas
1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies

I visited Toledo a long time ago, but I still remember the blend of Christian and Moorish style in the architecture of its cathedral. You could see where the Moors took power right in the design of the cathedral. Moorish influence was evident all over southern Spain (Granada, Sevilla) and probably in the faces of the people there, too. (The people were beautiful).

But, it's one thing to appreciate the results of history. It's quite another to relive it. And unfortunately, it looks like Europe is headed back in that direction again.

6 posted on 11/28/2005 6:45:23 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: AliVeritas
This won't do. Like communists when they rolled into Eastern Europe, I'm sure liberals view imperialism as something that can only be undertaken by democracies.

That's the usual line. Anything else is, you know, the result of imperialism, a necessary reaction to the awful deeds of the West.

7 posted on 11/28/2005 6:51:50 AM PST by Reactionary (Politics Isn't for Little Boys Who Want to Play Nice)
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To: AliVeritas

Should be sent to the board of directors of the History Channel


8 posted on 11/28/2005 7:05:54 AM PST by Wuli
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Bookmark for later reading. Has a timeline in the link.


9 posted on 11/28/2005 7:25:05 AM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: AliVeritas
The usual crap is like this: "the Muslims have been oppressed by the (Christian) West for long, so it's understandable if they now hate and want to kill the West. Look at the West did: they colonized so many places in the world since 15th century".

My reply usually like this: Using that logic, then, it's understandable what the West did. In the 11th-15th century, it was the West that was 'oppressed' by the Muslims. As the Muslims took "Christian lands" one by one, isn't it understandable that they later tried to take them back? Usually, the person whom I discussed with just stop saying anything.

10 posted on 11/28/2005 7:52:16 AM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: USF

marking for later...


11 posted on 11/28/2005 8:01:00 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: AliVeritas

bump for publicity


14 posted on 12/04/2005 7:09:50 PM PST by VOA
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