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THE END OF AMERICA?
Nealz Nuze ^ | November 28, 2005 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 11/28/2005 5:39:36 AM PST by beaureguard

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To: beaureguard
The history of civilization would tell us that a country based on freedom and economic liberty generally last just a bit over 200 years.

Since the United States is the first and only example, it's a bit disingenuous to point to history as a precedent. Now it's true that empires usually only last about 200 years, so if the currently evident transition of the US into the world's preeminent military empire with plenty of bread and circuses to keep the slackers quiescent continues, we probably won't have more than 200 years left - or 130, if you start counting from the advent of New Deal economics.

41 posted on 11/28/2005 6:02:02 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When government does too much, nobody else does much of anything." -- Mark Steyn)
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To: C210N

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. (The Federal Reserve Bank, 1913- -the system of privately-owned Federal Reserve banks which maintain a monopoly on the valueless debt "money" in circulation.)

6. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (Partially accomplished by enactment of various state and federal "estate tax" laws taxing the "privilege" of transfering property after death and gift before death.)


42 posted on 11/28/2005 6:03:43 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: beaureguard
I would make the case that "America" as envisioned by its founders really only lasted a few years. I've stated here before that the events surrounding the Whiskey Rebellion of the early 1790s effectively turned this country into nothing more than a poor imitation of England.

Having said that, there are several other historical events that truly defined this nation as a modern, socialist state. I would include the following: 1) the Civil War (after which the United States became a single nation defined by a Federal government, rather than a confederation of quasi-independent states); 2) the Spanish-American War (the first time the U.S. engaged in an imperial war overseas for reasons that had nothing to do with the protection of our sovereignty); and 3) the admission of New Mexico and Arizona to the Union in 1912 as the 47th and 48th states, which effectively marked the end of our nation's expansion and the beginning of the modern era in which some nebulous idea of "national interests" replaced "national defense" as the driving force behind every U.S. military engagement.

43 posted on 11/28/2005 6:05:01 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
What about the country of England? Isn't it still around?

Sort of. In 1707 Scotland and England agreed to join together as Great Britain. Some 220 years later, Great Britain and Northern Ireland formed the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. ;)

44 posted on 11/28/2005 6:07:12 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
I think Boortz's point is dead on accurate and proven by history. He says:

The history of civilization would tell us that a country based on freedom and economic liberty generally last just a bit over 200 years

You can't effectively argue that England remains a "free" country based on economic liberty. Individual rights in the UK have eroded tremendously since WWII. Look at the national healthcare system where hospitals go to court (successfully) seeking to end care of a child who is improving and on her way to a normal life. Who did the hospitals go to court to fight? Her parents.

You can't fox hunt in England for crying out loud. You can't protect your property. You are very limited in gun ownership.

As far as economic liberty or freedom in any European country, just look at the EU's constitution. They may have rejected it initially, but that is the future of Europe. Freedom is dead there.

45 posted on 11/28/2005 6:09:02 AM PST by SittinYonder (Flea, feather, bird, egg, nest, twig, branch, limb, tree, and the bog down in the valley - o.)
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To: beaureguard

It isnt the rule of the majority that is destroying America, it is the rule of the minority.

When one Shiitebird can take away the words Under God from the pledge, When the ACLU can make war on Christians,when the government bends over backwards to every minority in the country,when jobs are given to those in the minority because they make the quota and not the grade. When homosexuals can demand to have their sickness taught in schools and have homosexual clubs in high school.When the media can make war on the President of the United States, it isnt the rule of the majority which will destroy America, but the sniping of the minorities.


46 posted on 11/28/2005 6:11:32 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

You are correct.Walter and his brother Victor were leaders of the welfare state who went to Russia for their training in the early 1930's.


47 posted on 11/28/2005 6:12:08 AM PST by Papabear47
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To: SittinYonder

I don't know; I hope so. It was the first time I'd ever listened to him; I'm quite impressed with this man.

Have a nice one...heading out.


48 posted on 11/28/2005 6:13:19 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Blood of Tyrants; All
"Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (Partially accomplished by enactment of various state and federal "estate tax" laws taxing the "privilege" of transfering property after death and gift before death.)"
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What part of "private property" does the SCOTUS not understand?? The UN wants to tax private citizens directly and when I told this to an older educated health care provider (dentist) He said;" Well if they tax everyone equally it's OK with me." Conservatives have a long uphill battle and I find the GOP to be less and less a partner.
49 posted on 11/28/2005 6:13:23 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: SheLion

Just lovely :(


50 posted on 11/28/2005 6:14:47 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Alberta's Child
"I would make the case that "America" as envisioned by its founders really only lasted a few years. I've stated here before that the events surrounding the Whiskey Rebellion of the early 1790s effectively turned this country into nothing more than a poor imitation of England."

Interesting perspective and worthy of debate. I believe the evolution of our country was actually driven by the people in the time you write about (not without cooperation of our Federal Govt.). That said, the best defense of the day was a good offense for a young, passionate and energetic nation trying to bring order to itself. The constitution clearly recognized that the formation of our nation was not complete at the time of its institution. I am not aware of any country that "earned" its own sovereignty without conflict. Some were given sovereignty following conflict.
51 posted on 11/28/2005 6:16:23 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Dems: "It can't be done" Reps. "Move, we'll find a way or make a way. It has to be done!")
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To: Lazamataz

Then DIE STANDING UP! ;)


52 posted on 11/28/2005 6:17:01 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Merry Christmas!)
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To: nicmarlo
I'm quite impressed with this man.

Walter Williams sometimes fills in for Limbaugh. Usually when he does he'll interview Thomas Sowell. The two of them together are great.

Townhall.com carries Sowell's columns which I try to read regularly.

53 posted on 11/28/2005 6:18:17 AM PST by SittinYonder (Flea, feather, bird, egg, nest, twig, branch, limb, tree, and the bog down in the valley - o.)
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To: SittinYonder
You can't effectively argue that England remains a "free" country based on economic liberty.

Sure you can---it's more free than Cuba. It's more free than China. It might be less free than you'd like it, but "free" is one of those moving target-type definitions, is it not?

Boortz is using this argument as a rhetorical device; nothing more, nothing less. In order to whip the faithful into a frenzy.

54 posted on 11/28/2005 6:18:54 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: beaureguard

When these "projects" crater like the Hiroshima bomb, will the studios and networks wake up and realize that the consuming public is sick of America-bashing? Will they understand that an edgy public wants movies that comfort them, that reassure them, that tell them they're doing the right thing? Or will they continue to invest millions in products nobody wants to buy?


55 posted on 11/28/2005 6:19:33 AM PST by IronJack
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Boortz is using this argument as a rhetorical device; nothing more, nothing less. In order to whip the faithful into a frenzy.

So you disagree with him?

56 posted on 11/28/2005 6:23:07 AM PST by SittinYonder (Flea, feather, bird, egg, nest, twig, branch, limb, tree, and the bog down in the valley - o.)
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To: massgopguy


No doubt.

Funny thing is...this isnt the first time the Hollywood types have rolled out something like this. There was that stinker. "AMERIKA" with Kris Kristofferson in the early eighties.


How about Hollywood have a good ole future war movie where the US gets attacked by roving bands of jihadis that crossed the border...regular citizens send them to ALLAH, via Smith and Wesson, and the US remains the good ole US...or is that to positive for them?


57 posted on 11/28/2005 6:24:34 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
The history of civilization would tell us that a country based on freedom and economic liberty generally last just a bit over 200 years.

The history of civilization would tell us there isn't enough data on which to base that kind of statement.

58 posted on 11/28/2005 6:25:22 AM PST by Casloy
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To: SittinYonder
So you disagree with him?

I believe he's being hyperbolic in order to make a point. And I do tend to be leery of opinion pieces signing America's death certificate, yes.

59 posted on 11/28/2005 6:27:32 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: beaureguard

Starring Claire Wolfe, Boston T. Party, and friends?


60 posted on 11/28/2005 6:29:01 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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