Bush plans anti-illegals campaign

The Washington Times ^ | November 28, 2005 | Bill Sammon

[ConservativeStatement]

President Bush today will call for a crackdown on illegal immigration, a move aimed at further rallying conservatives who recently cheered Mr. Bush's tough talk on Iraq and the Supreme Court. But the president will also renew his call for a program to allow Mexicans who have already entered the U.S. illegally to remain here for up to six years. That initiative has long angered conservatives who equate it with amnesty.

[calrighty]

BUMP!

[calrighty]

"Is there some flaw in my thinking? "

NO
Is George Bush so obtuse that they he can't think this out for himself?"

YES

Or he is destroying our English speaking American culture out of pure socialist evil........take your pick.

"

[antaresequity]

Nor am I

[calrighty]

"Mexicans who have already entered the U.S. illegally to remain here for up to six years. "

He he I wonder how many people have run the numbers..

8 million illegal Mexicans
+ 6 years
times 4 kids = 48 million non english speaking people who are uneducated, and have no allegiance to America.

If you add 3 million more for 6 years, the numbers approach 100 million. Bye bye America!

[Travis McGee]

Not "a" chain link fence. (Lying straw-man alert.)

A MULTIPLE FENCE SYSTEM, like this one, including sensors and a plowed tracking strip.

It would cost about what we spend on illegal aliens (school, medical, prison etc) every month.

And it would work, (which is why it will not be built, under the present open borders leadership.)

The current Border Patrol could do their job, IF they had a modern MULTIPLE FENCE SYSTEM to guard, instead of having to chase illegals around tens of thousands of square miles of wide open border land.

But I don't expect you to change your stated opinion, because your agenda is NOT to defend America's borders from invasion.

Your agenda is quite the opposite, as is made clear with every one of your posts.

[Travis McGee]

The Quislings are immune to reason, because their agenda is the opposite of defending this nation from invasion. Every one of their arguments is a specious lie, which is obvious to anyone with a three digit IQ.

But these lying dolts at least do play an important (albeit unwitting) role here:

Every one of their replies means 15 more lurkers will read the article and gain some understanding. Without the Quislings' (unwitting) help, these threads would never get past 100 replies.

Quisling: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.

[gubamyster]

ping

[Rokke]

"Not "a" chain link fence. (Lying straw-man alert.)"

I guess you didn't even bother to look at your own picture. That is chainlink. And you definitely didn't read any of my other posts. Take a look at the Berlin Wall. It never succeeded in keeping East Germans from crossing the border. It is several times more layered and secure than anything you are talking about. Why don't you take some time to explain why you think a 6000 mile fence along our borders can succeed when a 50 mile barrier through Berlin failed.

"But I don't expect you to change your stated opinion, because your agenda is NOT to defend America's borders from invasion."

I joined our military in 1985 and still serve. What you can't possibly seem to understand is that your idea WON'T WORK. It never has. It never will. Walls don't work. If they did, no country would ever need a military. They'd just have big walls guarding their borders. Funny thing is, every time its been tried, it has failed. But Ol' Travis McGee is sure this time a wall will work. Dream on.

[TheSpottedOwl]

I am so disappointed with President Bush regarding this issue. What could be more important than protecting your country's sovreignty and safety of her citizens?

[ARCADIA]

Walls don't work. If they did, no country would ever need a military.

Then lets start by knocking the walls down around your gated community.

[WatchingInAmazement]

I forsee thirty years from now, lawsuits from illegals demanding their Social Security and talks of reparations and everything else.

It's not going to take 30 years. If Pres Bush and his State Dept have anything to say about it,their proposed Totalization agreement will give illegals full social security benefits with a fraction of time worked that you and I must have. Only congress can stop it now. Will they?

ONE ILLEGAL COULD COST U.S. TAXPAYERS ONE-HALF MILLION BUCKS "If a 24-year-old Mexican national who has worked illegally in the U.S. for three years is able to present documents from a friendly doctor and either a W-2 or pay stubs that indicate $12,000 in annual earnings, he will be eligible for the following: nearly $8,000 per year in disability income (adjusted for inflation), until age 65, at which point he would receive the same amount as retirement pay. (If he manages to get an under-the-table job in the U.S. or Mexico, he will be able to double-dip for a second income stream.) If he is survived by his wife or dependents, his family would be able to receive up to almost $12,000 annually. If he dies at 60, and his widow lives to 85, U.S. taxpayers will be on the hook for nearly a half-million dollars. That’s for one worker brought into Social Security by the pact." Source: Joel Mowbray, National Review, 1/27/03, pp. 22, 24

162,000 MEXICAN BENEFICIARIES? " ‘We are concerned about the sheer magnitude of the agreement,’ said a House Republican aide who is an expert on Social Security. About 94,000 beneficiaries living abroad have been brought into the system by the 20 existing international agreements. A Mexican agreement alone could bring in 162,000 in the first five years." Source: Jonathan Weisman, Washington Post, 12/19/02, p. A1

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20040107.shtml

The criminal raid on Social Security Michelle Malkin January 7, 2004

My 8-week-old son's Social Security card recently arrived in the mail. On the back, there's a stern warning: "Improper use of this card or number by anyone is punishable by fine, imprisonment or both." Welcome to the world of government theft and selective enforcement, my boy.

While innocent babes who have yet to earn a penny are threatened with jail time for misusing Social Security cards, the Bush administration appears set this week to turn the ailing government pension program into an international relief fund for illegal alien workers who used counterfeit Social Security cards and stolen numbers to secure illegal jobs. Unlike the bedtime stories I tell at night, I am not making this up.

This belated gift to the open-borders lobby and Mexican President Vicente Fox is part of a larger amnesty plan that has been in the works since before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. So, why exactly are we rewarding a country that has been obstinately opposed to the War on Terror? Go ask Mr. Brilliant, Karl Rove. This I do know: It couldn't have come at a worse time from either a fiscal or national security standpoint.

According to Rep. Clay Shaw, R-Fla., chairman of the House Ways and Means subcommittee on Social Security, benefits paid to retirees will exceed revenues in just 15 years. The pay-as-you-go system could go belly up as early as 2030. These projections don't take into account the economic impact of the Bush proposal, which would allow untold millions of illegal aliens from Mexico to collect full cash benefits for themselves and their families from their home country -- without having to work the required number of years that law-abiding American citizens must work to be eligible for payouts.

Reporter Joel Mowbray, who first exposed this treachery a year ago, noted that this raw deal may well cost overburdened U.S. taxpayers $345 billion over the next 20 years. Probably much more. As we know from experience, Social Security projections are notoriously off the mark. The bureaucrats call this scheme "totalization." Try total prostration. The proposed agreement is nothing more than a transfer of wealth from those who play by the rules to those who willingly and knowingly mock our own immigration and tax laws. What are we doing promising lifetime Social Security paychecks to day laborers in Juarez when we can't even guarantee those benefits to workers here at home?

Unbelievably, the White House is trying to convince us to embrace this global ripoff because it "rewards work." No, it rewards criminal behavior. The plan will siphon off the hard-earned tax dollars of American workers who may never see a dime of their confiscated earnings and fork it over to foreigners guilty of at least four acts of federal law-breaking: crossing the border illegally, working illegally, engaging in tax fraud and using bogus documents.

Giving money to scam artists will simply result in more fraud -- not only by Mexican agricultural workers, but also by Middle Easterners such as Youssef Hmimssa, who provided fake Social Security numbers and fraudulent drivers' licenses to members of an accused terrorist cell in Detroit. "If you have the right connection, you can get anything," he testified before the Senate last fall.

The door is now open for all illegal aliens to collect retirement benefits using bogus Social Security cards. What's next: survivors' benefits for the families of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers?

[Reaganwuzthebest]

What you can't possibly seem to understand is that your idea WON'T WORK. It never has. It never will. Walls don't work. If they did, no country would ever need a military.

If fences don't work then why is it everywhere you go there they are, at schools, homes, even the White House? I've seen some double layered fences around prisons and believe me the guests who live there aren't going anywhere. For the border area it would obviously be to keep people out not in and yes they do work.

[blackie]

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!

[injin]

I agree , or hope so !
I usually appreciate and respect everything I ever hear him say , but that time was the exception . Big time!

[dennisw]

DITTOS! You are at ground zero!

[dennisw]

If fences don't work then why is it everywhere you go there they are, at schools, homes, even the White House? I've seen some double layered fences around prisons and believe me the guests who live there aren't going anywhere. For the border area it would obviously be to keep people out not in and yes they do work.

 

ISRAEL'S FENCE:

Israel's multiple fence, border fence system. This fence is designed to succeed!! Sensors, cameras, paved access roads for fast armed response etc etc.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

It's the most obvious example that fences do work. Terrorism has dramatically declined because of it, they should have built it years ago.

[ConservativeStatement]

Howie Carr, a local radio talk show host and supporter of President Bush on most issues, is talking about this subject now.

[fisherman90814]

It would be nice if Tacredo can pull enough votes to dump this proposal.

[ZULU]

Thanks. I wish I had a radio.