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Jamaica: Ganja and crime (shocking new suggestion that pot may be related to crime in some way)
The Jamaica Gleaner ^
| November 27, 2005
Posted on 11/27/2005 7:24:36 PM PST by Stoat
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
What time does Nurse Ratched come around with the pills?Whenever you need them, which should be any second, unless you go sniveling to the moderator, as is your custom to do so while you busy yourself slandering others...
To: Know your rights
Nobody's claiming that Prohibition created organized crime, but that it enriched organized crime.The repeal of prohibition legitimized the Kennedy fortune. You love it.
To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Whenever you need them, which should be any second, unless you go sniveling to the moderator, as is your custom to do so while you busy yourself slandering others... Piss-poor comeback---I'm very disappointed. And I've never hit the abuse button, my friend, so now you're "slandering" me.
To: Sir Francis Dashwood
The repeal of prohibition legitimized the Kennedy fortune. You love it.I don't love it, but as a practical conservative I'd rather have seen that fortune "legitimized" than continue to grow.
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posted on
11/29/2005 6:19:44 AM PST
by
Know your rights
(The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
To: Keith in Iowa
Who's Hugh? Perhaps you mean huge? This is serious! :-)
185
posted on
11/29/2005 6:22:24 AM PST
by
halfright
(3 Days post Hanoi (Jihadi) Jane... 2200hrs meeting to urinate on her grave...Semper Fi !)
To: 185JHP
Alas, The State Department, having long ago been struck by Political Correctness and Affirmative Action, is usually as about as useful as an air compressor at a tea party, when a yank is in difficulty abroad.
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posted on
11/29/2005 6:27:16 AM PST
by
Kenny Bunk
(Free Tookie... on the range at my Gun Club.)
To: Know your rights
"I'd rather have seen that fortune "legitimized" than continue to grow.Fat Ted and the Kennedy Trust collect a royalty on every botle of scotch sold in this country. Last thing Old Joe arranged as Ambassador to the Court of St. James before being cashiered for betting on the NAZIs.
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posted on
11/29/2005 6:31:21 AM PST
by
Kenny Bunk
(Free Tookie... on the range at my Gun Club.)
To: Know your rights
...as a practical conservative I'd rather have seen that fortune "legitimized" than continue to grow. All too often liberals trot out a statement with as a conservative...
It is their phony good-guy badge they hope will impress everyone.
I didn't see the Ku Klux Kennedy fortune diminish either, so that is a red herring as far as how the repeal of Prohibition legitimized the Kennedy fortune.
To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Yup, Insert "drug and alcohol" testing of every employee including the CEO, board and owner/bosses of every company in the USA. We cant have drinkers coming to work all hung over....its a safety issue
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posted on
11/29/2005 7:30:50 AM PST
by
halfright
(3 Days post Hanoi (Jihadi) Jane... 2200hrs meeting to urinate on her grave...Semper Fi !)
To: philman_36
Hmm - note the word "inTOXICation". All substances that intoxicate are toxic to some degree. In fact, some poisonous mushrooms get you high before you die. So yes, marijuana is toxic - iow, considered as a poison by the body - to some degree. Obviously it won't kill a person. But it does kill some synapses, and the liver views it as a toxin that it must filter out and deal with. MJ also stresses the CNS (centeral nervous system) and it takes around 3 days for the THC to clean out (so you notice it, it can be detected in the body longer). In fact, after abstaining from MJ for around 10 years I smoked 3 hits - just THREE - and could feel the fuzzy, mentally dizzy, clouded, mode of darkness effect for three days. It certainly didn't tempt me to smoke any more.
So yes, it is toxic to some degree, as are all substances which intoxicate. But it's not lethal.
To: little jeremiah
When I eat MSG I swell up like a balloon.
To: PaxMacian
A. Poison oak has its uses.
B. If you bothered to read my comments above, I am in favor of legalizing personal use of marijuana and opium if the user grow it himself, with absolutely no selling.
So you are tilting at a straw man.
And for the bleeding hearts who pity those who can't grow it, they can learn gardening. How hard is it to grow one or two plants under a grow light? Even someone in a wheelchair can manage that.
To: PaxMacian
I avoid all chemicals in food such as artificial flavors, colors, preservatives, as well as MSG.
There are artifical toxins and natural toxins.
To: PaxMacian
can you imagine if pot were legalized? Just more general decline...something this country does not need. We have enough as it is.
Why do you include aspirin in your short list of seriously dangerous substances? Are you allergic to it?
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posted on
11/29/2005 9:31:13 AM PST
by
eleni121
('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
To: muawiyah
"Since when has MJ use in Nederland dropped below that of the US?"
"Dropped below?" Has Holland ever had per capita marijuana use rates higher than the United States? I have never seen evidence of higher use rates in Holland than here. Maybe there was a year or two when that occurred, but I couldn't find statistics showing this with a quick Google search. What I did find was similar or lower use rates throughout most age groups in the Netherlands and use rates a good bit lower there for adolescents. If all these Chicken Little scenarios about how everyone would smoke pot if it was legal and the sky would fall in were true, we should see significantly higher rates of marijuana use in the Netherlands over the long term. Coffeeshops openly selling marijuana and hash to adults have been tolerated there since the mid 1970's. Why don't we see several times as many Dutch on a per capita basis smoking marijuana? Why is it that we see similar or lower per capita use there as we have here?
I think the reason for this is pretty clear. People who want to smoke marijuana are going to do it whether it's against the law or not. This isn't a crime like theft or something where there is always a victim. People who want to smoke tend to feel like whether they smoke marijuana or not is their business, not the government's. They tend to feel a certain sense of justification for violating the marijuana laws. That's never going to change. Moreover, we're never going to catch and punish enough marijuana smokers to give the laws against it any real deterrent effect. When one in several thousand "pot smokings" results in arrest it's hard to scare people into not smoking it with the threat of punishment. They tend to laugh off the laws and ignore them and feel justified in doing so because they believe they aren't hurting anyone by smoking pot, and that the government's laws with respect to marijuana possession are illegitimate, unfair, and should be broken. And again, this is never going to change.
Our prohibition against marijuana will never be effective. As long as people want to smoke marijuana they are going to smoke it. As long as there is demand for marijuana there will always be people who to step up and bring product to market to meet that demand. Our attempts to stop this have and always will be futile. If marijuana wasn't relatively benign compared to other drugs, and alcohol for that matter, maybe it would be worth it to go to all the trouble and expense of enforcing these laws, even though it brings all of the problems that come with prohibition. But marijuana isn't that bad. It's a bad habit, no doubt about that, but certainly no worse than drinking alcohol. Marijuana prohibition will end someday. I say the sooner the better.
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posted on
11/29/2005 9:55:54 AM PST
by
TKDietz
To: eleni121
Hundreds overdose every year on aspirin and die.
Nobody overdoses on herb.
To: PaxMacian
"Nobody" is a word that connotes absolutism. In fact there are thousands whose lives are cut short by using marijuana...ok if you feel better about it we can call it a "herb" - but what it is canabis whose main ingredient is delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol.
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posted on
11/29/2005 11:42:56 AM PST
by
eleni121
('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
To: eleni121
Facts are absolute. Nobody can overdose on marijuana and that is why nobody has overdosed on marijuana. Alcohol is another story.
To: PaxMacian
So overdosing on a substance is the criteria for prohibition? See how your argument falls flat...
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posted on
11/29/2005 11:58:40 AM PST
by
eleni121
('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
To: halfright
Insert "drug and alcohol" testing of every employee including the CEO, board and owner/bosses of every company in the USA.I did say all employment, all motor vehicles, all air and water vehicles, along with any professional licenses. (Now the one that would really be good is broadcasting licenses.)
I don't want some half drunk, hung over jerk off next to me on the freeway having a blackout, nor do I want some doped up idiot wiring a 480 power grid or handling hot fat fryer grease at a fast food joint (they are all just as much an equal danger to others around them).
So just exactly what is your point?
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