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Sen. Joe Biden: Not Enough Troops
NewsMax ^ | 11/27/05 | NewsMax

Posted on 11/27/2005 11:09:48 AM PST by wagglebee

The ranking Democrat of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Joseph Biden of Delaware, told NBC "Meet the Press” host Tim Russert, Sunday, that "unless we fundamentally change the rotation dates and fundamentally change how many members of the National Guard we’re calling up, it’ll be virtually impossible to maintain 150,000 folks this year.”

But the Republican chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, John Warner of Virginia, disagreed, saying that in conference with chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Peter Pace, that top military leader opined: "That’s inaccurate, that assumption. We can do it. And we will do it.” According to Warner, Pace noted that even an option to increase the troop levels beyond 150,000 was doable.

Biden qualified, however, "There’s not a single general, including Pace, who believes we can keep 150,000 troops in Iraq without extending tours three and four and five times and without further mobilizing the National Guard. We can keep 150,000 troops there. We could put 200,000 troops there. It would require a fundamental change, fundamental in the rotation schedules.”

But Warner suggested that perhaps a fundamental change in the rotation schedules for already harried combat troops was not inevitable, noting that Pace said that there were contingency plans based on internal "cross-training, taking certain segments of the Army and retraining them in 30 to 60 days to perform the basic fighting we see against the insurgents, take elements of the Guard, which might take a little longer. You know, artillery men can become infantry men, artillery men can become policemen.”

On the subject of progress with training-up the Iraqi forces to take over security duties, Biden argued that in order to draw down the number of U.S. boots on the ground, "you don’t not only train up these [Iraqi] battalions, which are 600 to 800 people, you have to train up a larger facility that deals with command and control.”

Biden also emphasized that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's claim of always giving the commanders what they need and want was false:

"I don’t know what they tell Rumsfeld, but flag officers, guys wearing stars, not one single time, including the last one, Memorial Day, and I’m going again in 12 days, have I not been told by flag officers that they did not have enough forces.

"Give you a specific example. They said last time I was there on Memorial Day, ‘We cannot mount a counterinsurgency. We go out and clear out Anbar province. We blow these guys away. We don’t have enough troops to leave behind. We leave. They come back across the border. Senator, we don’t have enough troops.’”

Biden also qualified his voting for the resolution that cleared the way for the U.S. invasion of Iraq: "[R]emember what the resolution said, Tim, it didn’t say ‘go to war.’ It said, ‘Mr. President, if you can show these things, then you can use force.’”


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; iraq; joebiden; johnwarner; plagiarist; trooplevels
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A week ago this moron was wanting us to pull out completely, I guess the polls didn't support that view.
1 posted on 11/27/2005 11:09:49 AM PST by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Sen. Joe Biden: Not Enough Troops...

D1: Not enough brain cells...

Too many chiefs and not enough indians...


2 posted on 11/27/2005 11:12:19 AM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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"I don’t know what they tell Rumsfeld, but flag officers, guys wearing stars, not one single time, including the last one, Memorial Day, and I’m going again in 12 days, have I not been told by flag officers that they did not have enough forces.

Name names or shut up.

3 posted on 11/27/2005 11:12:57 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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I not been told by flag officers

Hey JOE, many flag officers seeking to speak with you?

4 posted on 11/27/2005 11:13:39 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: wagglebee

Put this @sshole in a room with Hagel, and you'd cause a vacuum that could create a Dark Hole in the universe.


5 posted on 11/27/2005 11:16:00 AM PST by digger48
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To: Racehorse

"I don’t know what they tell Rumsfeld, but flag officers, guys wearing stars, not one single time, including the last one, Memorial Day, and I’m going again in 12 days, have I not been told by flag officers that they did not have enough forces.

Speak English or Shut UP!!


6 posted on 11/27/2005 11:16:32 AM PST by sgtyork (jack murtha and the media -- unconditional surrender used to mean the enemy surrendered)
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To: wagglebee

His father should have pulled out completely!


7 posted on 11/27/2005 11:19:36 AM PST by A.Hun (Liberal mantra: ""tell new lies, but keep the old.....one is silver and the other's gold")
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"...not one single time,... have I not been told... that they did not have enough forces."

Wow. A triple negative. Sounds like an attempt to muddy the water with weasel words.

8 posted on 11/27/2005 11:19:37 AM PST by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: sgtyork

Yeah, don't the double negatives negate the argument? Grammatically he said that they had enough troops.


9 posted on 11/27/2005 11:20:34 AM PST by doodad
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"I'm not a military man; ..." Joseph "Plagiarist" Biden
10 posted on 11/27/2005 11:21:22 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: wagglebee

Another chuckle-head in the Senate. Biden and his ilk are laughable. Ha-ha-ha. So many dip-sticks...so little time.


11 posted on 11/27/2005 11:21:47 AM PST by Mr Ducklips
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The Dems are madly determined to recreate their Vietnam. They couldn't get an immediate pull out, now they want more troops and appear ready to push for the draft again even though it isn't necessary or likely to be of any value.

What the Dems have failed to learn is to stop the micromanaging of troops by politicians and allow the generals to actually run the military operations. There has not been a single instance in which the generals in charge have asked for troops and been denied.

12 posted on 11/27/2005 11:24:26 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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"I don’t know what they tell Rumsfeld, but flag officers, guys wearing stars, not one single time, including the last one, Memorial Day, and I’m going again in 12 days, have I not been told by flag officers that they did not have enough forces.

I was thinking quadruple but a triple negative makes my hair hurt just the same.

13 posted on 11/27/2005 11:24:39 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: highlander_UW

Sadly ,like it or not they are succeeding.


14 posted on 11/27/2005 11:27:47 AM PST by patriciamary
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Sadly ,like it or not they are succeeding.

Too bad the Republicans lack imagination and courage...they really have the ability to fix their problems in their own hands...but they don't grasp it.

15 posted on 11/27/2005 11:30:06 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: wagglebee

Biden is calling Rummy a liar. He should be forced to put up or shut up. Which "flag officers" told him these things?


16 posted on 11/27/2005 11:32:09 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: wagglebee
Image hosted by Photobucket.com if he went to work once and awhile, he'd know that we are planning to reduce Troop deployment by 60,000 next year... what a pompus ass!!!
17 posted on 11/27/2005 11:33:24 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: DoughtyOne
I do believe Joe Biden is fundamentally challenged in the ability to think or speak coherently.
18 posted on 11/27/2005 11:35:04 AM PST by PeskyOne
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To: PeskyOne

He just doesn't know when to zip it. I agree with you.


19 posted on 11/27/2005 11:36:32 AM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: wagglebee
He didn't happen to mention that last week on FOX SUNDAY, he told Chris Wallace that Bush and Cheney both said that Saddam and his nukes were an "imminent" danger to America. FOX went back to the President's and V. President's speeches and there was no word "imminent". Joe lied again on National Television. I'm sure that Fat Timmy would not bring up that subject.
20 posted on 11/27/2005 11:37:43 AM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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