Posted on 11/27/2005 11:09:48 AM PST by wagglebee
The ranking Democrat of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Joseph Biden of Delaware, told NBC "Meet the Press host Tim Russert, Sunday, that "unless we fundamentally change the rotation dates and fundamentally change how many members of the National Guard were calling up, itll be virtually impossible to maintain 150,000 folks this year.
But the Republican chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, John Warner of Virginia, disagreed, saying that in conference with chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Peter Pace, that top military leader opined: "Thats inaccurate, that assumption. We can do it. And we will do it. According to Warner, Pace noted that even an option to increase the troop levels beyond 150,000 was doable.
Biden qualified, however, "Theres not a single general, including Pace, who believes we can keep 150,000 troops in Iraq without extending tours three and four and five times and without further mobilizing the National Guard. We can keep 150,000 troops there. We could put 200,000 troops there. It would require a fundamental change, fundamental in the rotation schedules.
But Warner suggested that perhaps a fundamental change in the rotation schedules for already harried combat troops was not inevitable, noting that Pace said that there were contingency plans based on internal "cross-training, taking certain segments of the Army and retraining them in 30 to 60 days to perform the basic fighting we see against the insurgents, take elements of the Guard, which might take a little longer. You know, artillery men can become infantry men, artillery men can become policemen.
On the subject of progress with training-up the Iraqi forces to take over security duties, Biden argued that in order to draw down the number of U.S. boots on the ground, "you dont not only train up these [Iraqi] battalions, which are 600 to 800 people, you have to train up a larger facility that deals with command and control.
Biden also emphasized that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's claim of always giving the commanders what they need and want was false:
"I dont know what they tell Rumsfeld, but flag officers, guys wearing stars, not one single time, including the last one, Memorial Day, and Im going again in 12 days, have I not been told by flag officers that they did not have enough forces.
"Give you a specific example. They said last time I was there on Memorial Day, We cannot mount a counterinsurgency. We go out and clear out Anbar province. We blow these guys away. We dont have enough troops to leave behind. We leave. They come back across the border. Senator, we dont have enough troops.
Biden also qualified his voting for the resolution that cleared the way for the U.S. invasion of Iraq: "[R]emember what the resolution said, Tim, it didnt say go to war. It said, Mr. President, if you can show these things, then you can use force.
Sen. Joe Biden: Not Enough Troops...
D1: Not enough brain cells...
Too many chiefs and not enough indians...
Name names or shut up.
Hey JOE, many flag officers seeking to speak with you?
Put this @sshole in a room with Hagel, and you'd cause a vacuum that could create a Dark Hole in the universe.
"I dont know what they tell Rumsfeld, but flag officers, guys wearing stars, not one single time, including the last one, Memorial Day, and Im going again in 12 days, have I not been told by flag officers that they did not have enough forces.
Speak English or Shut UP!!
His father should have pulled out completely!
Wow. A triple negative. Sounds like an attempt to muddy the water with weasel words.
Yeah, don't the double negatives negate the argument? Grammatically he said that they had enough troops.
Another chuckle-head in the Senate. Biden and his ilk are laughable. Ha-ha-ha. So many dip-sticks...so little time.
What the Dems have failed to learn is to stop the micromanaging of troops by politicians and allow the generals to actually run the military operations. There has not been a single instance in which the generals in charge have asked for troops and been denied.
I was thinking quadruple but a triple negative makes my hair hurt just the same.
Sadly ,like it or not they are succeeding.
Too bad the Republicans lack imagination and courage...they really have the ability to fix their problems in their own hands...but they don't grasp it.
Biden is calling Rummy a liar. He should be forced to put up or shut up. Which "flag officers" told him these things?
He just doesn't know when to zip it. I agree with you.
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