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China counts on Russia's further participation in nuclear project
RIA Novosti ^ | 17:36 | 26/ 11/ 2005 | Alexei Yefimov

Posted on 11/26/2005 11:28:08 AM PST by mym

LIANYUNGANG (China), November 26 (RIA Novosti, Alexei Yefimov) - China expects Russia to build the third and fourth energy units of the Tianwan nuclear power station.

"We would like to see Russia continue its participation [in the project]," Wang Jianhua, the first secretary of the Chinese Communist Party Lianyungang city committee, said.

He stressed that Russian technology used in building the first two power units had proven excellent.

"The decision on building units 3 and 4 will be made by the central authorities of course," Wang Jianhua added.

The first unit is to go online in early 2006, while the second will not become operational until some time between 2006 and 2010, China's 11th five-year plan period.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: china; coldwarii; jiangsu; lianyungang; nuclear; nuclearplant; russia; sco

1 posted on 11/26/2005 11:28:10 AM PST by mym
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To: mym

The rest of the world is going to buy up all the uranium to use in their nukes before we start building nuke plants. When we finally do get around to building the nukes, we'll have to pay a premium to the fuel because they will own all the uranium.


2 posted on 11/26/2005 11:30:47 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Uranium is not a deficit on World Market. And will not for long time.


3 posted on 11/26/2005 11:34:00 AM PST by mym (Russia - motherland of elephants)
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To: mym
LIANYUNGANG

now I reckon that if AIDS was renamed LIANYUNGANG the pandemic would cease. Waddja got? LIANYUNGANG! no kidding?
4 posted on 11/26/2005 11:35:41 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: Brilliant

By that time it will be fusion - and we won't have to overpay for the water. Besides, given the general inefficiency of the Chinese use of fossil fuels, it is one of the better things which could happen.


5 posted on 11/26/2005 11:37:45 AM PST by GSlob
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To: mym

In due time the Chineese will enter the building nuclear power plants market with equipment which resembles much the one used in this site.


6 posted on 11/26/2005 11:43:36 AM PST by Freelance Warrior
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To: Freelance Warrior

But who'd buy the "Chernobyl" model - even on the cheap?


7 posted on 11/26/2005 11:47:22 AM PST by GSlob
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To: Freelance Warrior

The only hope that nuclear plants are dangerous. And Chineese quility is well known. /sarcasm on


8 posted on 11/26/2005 11:50:15 AM PST by mym (Russia - motherland of elephants)
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To: GSlob

I don't have any problem with China developing nukes. I have a problem with us not developing nukes. I don't think they'll have fusion in our lifetime.


9 posted on 11/26/2005 1:57:42 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: mym

The price always adjusts to meet the demand, so it will never be in "deficit." The problem is that when the US starts to use uranium at the level we should be using it, the world price will skyrocket. We could be buying up uranium now at relatively low prices, while the rest of the world is still in "developing country" mode. But why would we be buying uranium, if we have no use for it? Instead, we're selling it. And that means that by the time we actually have a need for uranium, it will be owned for the most part by foreigners.


10 posted on 11/26/2005 2:01:29 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

US has 150-200 yrs worth of coal. Coal is even convertible ["gasifiable"] into oil - at something like $30s a barrel. Thus we could afford to wait till the fusion energetics comes on line - which could probably take, say, 50-80 years at most. And if the Chinese want to build more Chernobyls - more power [double entendre] to them. Thus I also do not have any problem with China developing nuclear energetics.


11 posted on 11/26/2005 5:39:55 PM PST by GSlob
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To: mym
Lianyungang is in the Jiangsu Province
12 posted on 11/26/2005 5:49:21 PM PST by Alia
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To: GSlob

They've been working on fusion since the 60's or 50's, and are no closer to achieving it than they were then. One of my highschool classmates was in the Princeton physics department. He chose Princeton because he wanted to work on the Tomahawk reactor research. I spoke to him a few years afterward, and he told me he abandoned the idea when one of the professors working on the project told him that he did not anticipate that it would ever be successful. This was during the 1970s. Run the tape 30 years ahead, and so far they've got nothing.


13 posted on 11/26/2005 7:28:46 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Tomahawk is a cruise missile. You mean Tokamak, probably. Well, this Tokamak design is close to energy break-even point by now [they are building the biggest one in Europe, IIRC]. I'd say it IS a progress - and a serious progress, too, as we learn more and more about what will have to be involved. At this rate in 50-80 years one could expect fusion energetics, unless something completely unforeseen and unknown pops up and gums the works.


14 posted on 11/26/2005 7:39:44 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

They weren't that far from the break even point back then, though. That's still light years away from practicality.


15 posted on 11/26/2005 7:41:48 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
That's OK. Nobody expects [or even needs] it tomorrow. There is time, and even time enough, to do it. And BTW, in Princeton it was PPL - Princeton Plasma Laboratory on Forrestal campus [since wound down], not Physics Dept. In my time I translated some Russian texts on fusion [the texts turned out to be utter rubbish, be it said] for them.
16 posted on 11/26/2005 7:52:50 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Freelance Warrior
"In due time the Chineese will enter the building nuclear power plants market with equipment which resembles much the one used in this site."

yeah, with a leaky reaction chamber with paper mache walls, and cooling lines plated to look like stainless steel.

17 posted on 11/26/2005 7:57:33 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: GSlob

China, for example.


18 posted on 11/27/2005 9:48:24 AM PST by Freelance Warrior
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To: Freelance Warrior

If the Chinese want to build more Chernobyls - more power [double entendre] to them.


19 posted on 11/27/2005 10:28:01 AM PST by GSlob
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Like I posted on an earlier Chinese space program thread, they're technologically backward but can simply buy whatever technology they need. The Chinese space program is essentially a Russian import, from hardware to astronaut training.

I did some research on these "Tianwan" reactors, it looks like Russia is only one of several sources where the Chinese are buying from:
http://www.nti.org/db/china/pwrrctr.htm

They're spending billions of dollars to purchase nuclear reactor and technology from France, Russia, Japan, Canada, and believe it or not, South Korea. According to Wired, they want to built 30 nuclear reactors by 2020, and experts have suggested that they may operate as many as 200 nuclear power plants by 2050:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.09/china.html

For those who thinks the Chinese are getting ahead of us, I'd like to remind you that we have more than 100 nuclear power plants in operation, providing 20% of our electricity. Even if the Chinese build 30 new plants by 2020, they'd still be far behind us:
http://www.nei.org/doc.asp?catnum=2&catid=93


20 posted on 11/30/2005 3:11:39 PM PST by s_asher
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