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Greenhouse-gas levels highest for 650,000 years
news@nature.com ^ | 24 November 2005 | Michael Hopkin

Posted on 11/25/2005 10:41:45 PM PST by neverdem

Climate record highlights extent of man-made change.

Current levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are higher than at any time in the past 650,000 years, say researchers who have finished cataloguing air bubbles trapped for millennia inside Antarctic ice. The record, which extends back over the past eight ice ages, shows that today's concentrations of carbon dioxide and methane far outstrip those in the past.

Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have risen 200 times faster over the past 50 years than at any other time during this period, says Thomas Stocker of the University of Bern, Switzerland, who led the analysis.

The researchers studied air bubbles preserved in ice drilled from the Antarctic ice sheet as part of the European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctica (EPICA). The ice core represents a logbook of the state of the world's climate (see 'Frozen time') and goes back 210,000 years further than previous records.

After searching ice spanning the period of 390,000-650,000 years before present, Stocker's team has discovered that carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere did not exceed 290 parts per million during that time. Today, that figure is around 375 parts per million.

The situation is similar for methane: during this period, levels hovered around 600 parts per billion. Today's atmospheric methane concentration is well over 1,700. Stocker and his colleagues report the results in Science1,2.

Unprecedented push

The burning of fossil fuels in the industrial era has pushed greenhouse-gas levels far beyond their natural fluctuations, says Stocker. "This is really something unprecedented," he says. Humans, by releasing fossil fuels from their imprisonment underground, are now adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere on top of those released as part of natural climate cycles.

The news comes as world leaders plan to attend a United Nations climate change conference in Montreal, Canada, which begins on 28 November. Delegates will discuss current efforts to reduce greenhouse emissions, and what plans should follow on from the initial phase of the Kyoto Protocol, which ends in 2012.

The past four ice ages and their intervening warm periods are thought not to have been typical. Glacial cycles before this had longer, cooler intervening periods than more recent ones. Researchers are unsure why this is, although they hope the ice cores may hold some clues.

Unnatural changes

The newly analysed ice does show that although the climate is in constant flux, it is capable of producing extended warm phases even when carbon dioxide levels are stable, says Stocker. Two places in the record, for example, are marked by periods of almost 30,000 years when temperature hardly changed at all. And the beginning of these 'interglacial' phases was not linked to rises in carbon dioxide.

That's not to say that current rises in temperature are due to natural shifts, as some climate-change sceptics have claimed. "The CO2 emitted now is not part of the natural cycle," Stocker points out.

"In the palaeorecord there's no human activity driving the change," says Chris Jones, of the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Exeter, UK. The current challenge facing climate modellers is to work out the one-way effect of the huge spike in greenhouse gases now being pumped into our skies by human activities.

References doi:10.1038/news051121-14 SiegenthalerU., et al. Science, 310. 1313 - 1317 (2005). SpahniR., et al. Science, 310. 1317 - 1321 (2005).


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: greenhousegases; icecores
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To: neverdem

Well if you believe in creationism like I do then the Earth is only about 6000 years old, so all this data is just a bunch of hogwash.


21 posted on 11/26/2005 4:26:51 AM PST by amigatec (There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
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To: amigatec
yeah, but....isn't CO2 only 4% of greenhouse gases? And how did co2 exceed this level 650k ago?

If you know the answer, you can find the "evidence"

22 posted on 11/26/2005 4:37:00 AM PST by cb
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To: amigatec
Well if you believe in creationism like I do then the Earth is only about 6000 years old, so all this data is just a bunch of hogwash.

Yep ... Its down the drain ...

(ducks low to avoid being hit by flying barbs)

23 posted on 11/26/2005 5:23:03 AM PST by TexGuy
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To: neverdem
That's not to say that current rises in temperature are due to natural shifts, as some climate-change sceptics have claimed. "The CO2 emitted now is not part of the natural cycle,"...

Thanks for the post and the reminder. Too often, we get caught up in our mundane day to day tasks and forget we need to take care of the planet as well. ==> We lose sight of the big picture and can't see the forest for the trees.

24 posted on 11/26/2005 7:28:56 AM PST by phantomworker (We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are.<==> Perception is everything.)
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To: cb
yeah, but....isn't CO2 only 4% of greenhouse gases? And how did co2 exceed this level 650k ago?

This is the main point of divergence when you think this true. An environmentalist whacko, when told this fact, and how human intervention might up this to 4.25% (my figure, only to serve to argue the point), will tell you that the additional 0.25% will thrust the entire climate out of whack. But then you need simply point out that volcanoes pump out equivalent, even greater amounts of CO2 (and pollutants) and the earth swallows it up, readjusting and stabilizing in only a few months.

Human involvement in the climate is anecdotal, at best.

25 posted on 11/26/2005 7:41:05 AM PST by GreenAccord (Right click to see ways you can interact with me!)
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To: neverdem

The fractions being referenced in the article are really very small. To me, a non scientist, they would seem to fall within the margin of error.


26 posted on 11/26/2005 7:42:37 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality)- "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: marron
Yes! The Chinese will be the great predictors of our environment! (sarcasm).

I was eating in a restaurant at the Hebei Guest House, Shijiazhuang City, China (3 hours by train south of Beijing), and I was chatting with an Italian who was there inspecting and servicing environmental protection equipment in factories.

"Chinese factories have environmental protection equipment?" I asked.
"Certainly! They have to install it as part of their agreements to get World Bank loans for development" was the Italian's reply.
I went on, "It must be tough to keep it all serviced in this filthy environment."
"Not at all," he answered, "The equipment is as clean as the day it was installed."
"How is that?!" I asked in amazement.
The Italian explained, "The equipment has to be installed and inspected by the World Bank people in order to get the loans, but it is never turned on; never used. It requires too much power and maintenance. They got their money. The equipment sits there unused. My job is easy."

It seems that the periodic inspections are required, and the technician must sign off that the equipment remains properly in place and serviceable. He is not required to report whether the equipment is actually used.

This is how the Chinese do business. The Chinese say that we Americans are "TOO HONEST," and therefore they can beat us! They have no moral compunction to be honest in the INTENT of contracts, and the environmental equipment situation is a real illustration. If any American thinks that the Chinese are going to REALLY comply with copyright and trade mark laws or agreements (for yet another example), they are very naive and gullible. These are reasons that I am opposed to the willy-nilly free trade agreements we foster worldwide.
27 posted on 11/26/2005 7:47:28 AM PST by Free Baptist
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To: MJY1288

I think he did?Wasn't that book he wrote called"The Earth In A Lurch"??


28 posted on 11/26/2005 8:01:02 AM PST by bandleader
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To: Jeff Chandler

Exactly!Why should cattle have all the fun!!We enjoy FLATULENCE too!!!


29 posted on 11/26/2005 8:02:03 AM PST by bandleader
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To: basalt

After reading this,I got up and put on my cd of "In A Yugo"by Paul Shanklin!


30 posted on 11/26/2005 8:04:09 AM PST by bandleader
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To: Candor7

I'm reminded of the weather reports stating that"This Is The Hottest Summer In One Hundred Years"!!What were WE doing to make it(the weather)so hot one hundred years ago???


31 posted on 11/26/2005 8:06:25 AM PST by bandleader
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To: neverdem
Well then, we better start exterminating the whole of mankind.

After all, we are the problem, right?

32 posted on 11/26/2005 8:08:06 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: GreenFreeper

ping. What's your take? Just curious.


33 posted on 11/26/2005 8:33:30 AM PST by phantomworker (We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are.<==> Perception is everything.)
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To: UncleJeff

Good point. Care to extrapolate on it?


34 posted on 11/26/2005 9:09:02 AM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: aliquando
I am pretty good at remembering the sequences and processes, but stink at dates.(ask my wife!)

May I suggest bathing?

Your wife must have found something worthy in you, if your dating life were so bad, and still she married you.

35 posted on 11/26/2005 9:13:07 AM PST by mountn man (Everyone brings joy into a room. Some when they enter. Others when they leave)
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To: neverdem

According to tree rings, there was a 500 year drought with
associated warming millions of years ago in the West. Long
before humans inhabited earth.


36 posted on 11/26/2005 9:20:30 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: aliquando
These numbers are off the top of my head, but its seems to me that the world has been through some drastic changes. Most of it has happened while life has been present.

Are you saying man because of his presence is responsible for these changes?

Early man (cavemen) caused greenhouse gasses by his flatulence.

You had stinky dates.

Therefore you're a caveman. :)

37 posted on 11/26/2005 9:22:56 AM PST by mountn man (Everyone brings joy into a room. Some when they enter. Others when they leave)
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To: mountn man
To quote some Monty Python, " I fart in your general direction". Your a funny guy mm. I do believe that man has added greenhouse gasses to the atm., however I believe our impact is minimal when compared to mother nature. A few good volcanoes can make our input look minuscule.
38 posted on 11/26/2005 9:32:53 AM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: aliquando
A few good volcanoes can make our input look minuscule.

don't you mean OUTPUT?

That orrifice was not made for input.

39 posted on 11/26/2005 9:40:46 AM PST by mountn man (Everyone brings joy into a room. Some when they enter. Others when they leave)
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To: amigatec
"...the Earth is only about 6000 years old.."

You embarrass yourself.

40 posted on 11/26/2005 9:51:32 AM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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