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Why son refused to stand
The Courier News ^ | 11/25/05 | EMS Fire Lt. Robert Bedard

Posted on 11/25/2005 3:01:56 PM PST by chicagolady

I am the father of the young man who did not stand for the singing of the Mexican national anthem during a cultural awareness program at Larkin High School.

I have been constantly asked to explain the details of the event, and it is in response to these individuals that I offer the following facts.

Some of the students, my son included, were compelled to attend this assembly. The Mexican national anthem was printed on fliers and handed out to the attending students. The Mexican flag was marched in and placed on a podium by itself. The attendees were then asked to stand and sing the Mexican national anthem.

My son was not alone in his refusal to stand. Statements given to me by other youths and parents put the number of refusals at close to 20.

Larkin staff members immediately confronted the seated youth. Some of the students were threatened with in-school suspension; most of the seated students were intimidated into standing.

My son explained to the angry teacher who confronted him that he did not see a U.S. flag on the podium and he did not believe they were going to sing our national anthem. This teacher stated, "They have to stand for our national anthem, so you have to stand for theirs."

My son stated in response, "Yeah, but they're in our country."

The teacher called my son a punk and sent him to the office. The administrator in the office supported the teacher's demand and told my son that he could have made a more intelligent decision. My son was not formally disciplined. The teacher who confronted my son defended her actions to her students during class the following week.

I called Larkin principal Richard Webb to express my disappointment and concern. I described the manner in which my son had been treated. I was told that my son should have stood and that the school stood by its right to have this assembly in its chosen form.

I then exercised my right as a citizen and addressed the school board.

The press was present at the board meeting and media awareness snowballed from that point forward. Some of my statements to the board included, "I am disappointed that those responsible for creating an assembly intended to educate and sensitize Americans also felt free to act insensitively with regard to our culture. It is permissible to present another country's anthem alongside ours and receive standing respect. It is not reasonable to expect or demand that Americans stand and display respect for another flag and country in absence of the American anthem or flag."

I also asked the board to consider two positive actions. "First, encourage Larkin High School administrators to not underscore one culture to the exclusion of others. This ill-conceived mandatory assembly did nothing but widen the current schism. Second, I would ask the board to lay down some principles for future assemblies. While it is good educational practice to teach about other cultures, it is not an acceptable practice to require mandatory response to the patriotic elements of those cultures."

I was appalled by Webb's printed statement. Apologizing only for the "unfortunate spotlight" placed on the school does not acknowledge the process that brought the spotlight. Lack of proper oversight created an assembly that offended a large number of people. Teachers behaving badly guaranteed parental follow-through. Administrative silence and denial has perpetuated their arrogant image.

Trivializing the incident and belittling those it concerned has only confirmed Webb's lack of grounding with the community.

Since Dec. 8, 2004, educational institutions receiving federal funding are required to hold an educational program pertaining to the United States Constitution on Sept. 17 of each year. This year, Sept. 17 fell on a Saturday.

Our high school apparently chose on Sept. 16 not to hold an assembly on the Constitution of the United States, but to educate our youth on the patriotic elements of another country.

- Bedard is an Elgin resident.

11/25/05


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderslanguage; cowardpcbastards; culture; diversityeducation; dontstandforthis; education; immigrantlist; larkinschoolsucks; mexicananthem; mexicosucks; pcnonsense; principalsuckstoo; punkprincpal; punkschoolboard; punkteacher; teachersucks; theiranthemsucks
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To: Tannerone
No donation NO get to leave! Simple and diplomatic!

I'm sorry...what does that mean? I am not understanding your post.

121 posted on 11/25/2005 4:27:59 PM PST by paulat
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To: calex59
I believe that if a teenager can refuse to stand for the pledge without huge controversy, that a teenager certainly has the right to refuse to stand for another country's flag...especially given the fact he was "forced to attend" the assembly. Given the father's eloquent comments, the boy's actions seem very responsible if somewhat dramatic.

But, teenagers (as well adults) have been known to do the "Right" thing but for the "Wrong" motivation. I'd like a bit more information on the context of this event. The teacher's initial comment of "They have to stand for our national anthem, so you have to stand for theirs." sounds as in that particular school Hispanic students might be viewed as Mexican and not American Citizens...perhaps there's more history to the boy's refusal than just flag etiquette.

122 posted on 11/25/2005 4:28:11 PM PST by SergeantsLady (I support my soldier by supporting the mission he believes in...)
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To: USNBandit

Ding! Ding! Ding!....I was thinking the same thing.


123 posted on 11/25/2005 4:28:36 PM PST by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: R. Scott

Also, at the Olympics, the American flag is not dipped to the presiding royalty or dignitaries of the host country. No flag on earth takes precedence over the Flag of The United States of America.


124 posted on 11/25/2005 4:31:35 PM PST by joem15
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To: paulat
Good evening.
"I still say pick your battles a bit better."

How is this not a righteous battle for the boy and his father to fight?

It seems to me that this incident perfectly illustrate the danger our nation faces.

What would you say is a "better" battle to fight?

Michael Frazier
125 posted on 11/25/2005 4:34:08 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: muir_redwoods

Flag Etiqutte can be found here http://www.usa-flag-site.org/etiquette.shtml


126 posted on 11/25/2005 4:35:47 PM PST by Uddercha0s
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To: paulat

"The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles."

AYN RAND


127 posted on 11/25/2005 4:36:52 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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To: brazzaville
Good evening!

How is this not a righteous battle for the boy and his father to fight?

Pls read previous posts.

What would you say is a "better" battle to fight?

The battle to keep "under God" in the Pledge.

p

128 posted on 11/25/2005 4:37:26 PM PST by paulat
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Ohforpete'ssake...you illustrate my point!!! This is "EEEEEVIL." This is a kid not standing for an anthem. Get a grip.


129 posted on 11/25/2005 4:38:36 PM PST by paulat
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To: paulat; alice_in_bubbaland
Paulat,

Do you have any real response for the comment?

Do you know AIB personally. How do you know there are "a vast difference in decades" between the time you and AIB went to grade school?

As I stated earlier; you argue like a "progressive/liberal." I don't mean that as a "flame." Just stating an observation.

And by the way...yes; the tag line does fit me ;)
130 posted on 11/25/2005 4:40:15 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear
Do you know AIB personally. How do you know there are "a vast difference in decades" between the time you and AIB went to grade school?

DUH!! No I DON'T know when AIB went to school...that's why I asked.

Do you even read posts before you spout off???

131 posted on 11/25/2005 4:42:42 PM PST by paulat
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To: chicagolady

Pi$$ on corrupt mexico and their national anthem. We will see how well these liberals like it when their school is conquered and converted into Aztlan. Then they can sing the mexican natinal anthem all they want.


132 posted on 11/25/2005 4:43:09 PM PST by Buffettfan
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To: SergeantsLady

You can know that this senior in High school who was asked to say the Pledge of Alligence at the Illinois Minuteman meeting was a mild mannered kid. He is enlisting into the armed forces when he graduates....JUST LIKE HIS FATHER DID AND JUST LIKE HIS GRANDFATHER DID.........

He sat down because he is an American Soldier who will not give his alligence to another country.
As an American citizen is supposed to do.


133 posted on 11/25/2005 4:43:29 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: paulat

What would you say is a "better" battle to fight?

The battle to keep "under God" in the Pledge.

p
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Alright; I can agree with you on that.

If I met you I would disagree with you on the other matter but would buy you a beer while debating with you.

I still say that it was wrong to exclude our nations flag and anthem.

God bless

Grizzled Bear


134 posted on 11/25/2005 4:43:36 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: paulat

Ignorance must be bliss!!!! LOL!


135 posted on 11/25/2005 4:43:51 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (New Jersey gets the corrupt government it deserves!)
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To: paulat

When were you in grade school...there is a vast difference in decades, LOL!
________________________________________

You asked a question? Perhaps you spent more time standing during other nations anthems rather than learning proper sentence structure.

Just "spouting off."


136 posted on 11/25/2005 4:45:25 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
Ignorance must be bliss!!!! LOL!

I don't get it...I asked you when you were in grade school. You never answered.

137 posted on 11/25/2005 4:45:31 PM PST by paulat
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To: Grizzled Bear
I's say a touchy feely lib in FR clothing!
138 posted on 11/25/2005 4:46:36 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (New Jersey gets the corrupt government it deserves!)
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To: chicagolady

Let's see now. Mexico plays the US soccer team in CA and all the mexicans chant Osama, Osama, Osama and boo our american players and throw debris at them in their own country. And we are then expected to stand for a national anthem of a country that hates our guts and is trying to reconquer us? This is all part of the sickness of LIBERALISM.


139 posted on 11/25/2005 4:46:47 PM PST by Buffettfan
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

I's = I'd


140 posted on 11/25/2005 4:48:17 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (New Jersey gets the corrupt government it deserves!)
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