[lowbuck]

More on the Airbus/Boeing dogfight! Enjoy.

[rellimpank]

---Go Boeing!!--although I suspect this "dogfight" is similar to FEMA vs. Walmart in effectiveness of delivery of results--

[neodad]

Pass the popcorn!

[Pukin Dog]

It aint a dogfight, its a turkey shoot.

The A-380 is getting killed. Boeing set them up, and now they are going to knock them down.

[TeddyCon]

Airbus has, for all intents and purposes, been handed its proverbial ass by Boeing pretty much since this whole Airbus/Boeing "competition" - and I'm useg the term loosely - supposedly got serious.

Airbus knows that it is alive today thanks only to the subsidies it receives from the EU and its dipshit citizenry that keeps feedin' it and insisting that Boeing's receiving tax breaks and benefits (etc.) is the same diff to Airbus' living on subsidies.

[systematic]

[chipengineer]

>trip costs “25-30% less than the A380”, principally because the Boeing aircraft will weigh 13% less per seat.

Weight per seat sounds like a very significant spec. Does anyone have a comparison of this for the common aircraft?

[Chode]

HA ha...

[RayChuang88]

I think what will really hurt Airbus is the fact the 747-8F freighter will be a hot seller because it will offer more cargo capacity and longer range, too. Also, because the 747-8F can carry outsized lengthwise loads that the A380-800F can't carry, that would also be a huge winner for the cargo airlines also.

[Batrachian]

I find it amazing that a 1960s design like the 747 can be economically viable today. It really shows the quality of the original design, which was actually a military cargo craft design, but when the Air Force went with the C-5 instead, Boeing sold it to the airlines. The rest, as they say, is history.

Well, DC-3s are still flying, too.

[Paulus Invictus]

I just saw a TV special on the C5 Air Force heavy weight lifter that is being up-graded with new engines and other modern electronics. I wonder whey the C5 would not make a good passenger liner by merely adding hundreds of seats in newly designed, two-level cabins with all the passenger bennies? The C5 has a long and great record of speed, 3000 mile reach and a known record of great service. Its new GE engines are not only more powerful, but better on fuel economy too. Anyone know why the C5 would not make a great passenger liner?

[Prophet in the wilderness]

http://www.geae.com/education/genx/theatre/index.html

[HereInTheHeartland]

I want one.

[gridlock]

Boeing is talking about cost-per-passenger-mile and TCO and efficiency. Airbus is just whipping out it's airplane and saying theirs is the longest. Who do you think is going to win this fight?

The problem with Airbus, as is true with so many government and semi-government operations, is there is no way to kill the "Big Idea". Once the "Big Idea" takes hold, nobody has the authority to tell the bosses that they are full of themselves and no cost pressure makes it impossible, because the semi-government operation can always raid the public purse.

The A380 is going to be a disaster for the Europeans and drag their moribund economies even further into the gutter. But are they going to learn the lesson? Not bloody likely! They will probably blame the whole debacle on unconstrained capitalism and demand even more government control of industry.