Posted on 11/25/2005 8:34:07 AM PST by Exton1
I was also not interested in doing your work for you.
Nor qualified, apprently.
Of course, he didn't need to, to use the penicillin to treat disease. But in reality, all he did was observe. Thank God he did, but this isn't an example of high-order thinking.
Who, other than you, gives a rat's behind? Supposedly "Higher order" thinking didn't produce the goods. Fleming did. And he did not just "observe" his lucky accident, he observed biological behavior that he organized and constrained, and had been trained to observe and understand.
You may have noticed before this that technical people are often humor-challenged.
You know, as to this whole discussion, I cannot help but be reminded of the words of the Bard, in expressing suspicion that a person professing innocence may be guilty of the accusation:
Methinks thou doth protest too much.
The founders of my field have been dead for at least 4000 years. I don't know of whom you are speaking.
I concur that you don't know of whom I am speaking, and think I should probably rest my case on that note. You do not have a qualified expert opinion on the scope and meaning of mathematics in the sciences.
Of course you are. If you remove the "higher order thinking", what does that leave? It leaves the sciences you have been continuously insulting as mathematically incompetent since you climbed aboard here.
Methinks thou doth protest too much.
Methinks it annoys me, and deserves to be critically examined, when someone starts spouting, as if an expert, technical sounding claims as to why evolutionary theory should be downgraded.
Sheesh. I'd get less grief on an Islamic board if I said "Mohammed was a fraud and Allah is his scam."
If you don't like getting grief, I'd recommend you try a web site other than FR.
Indeed.
You are an able defender of both your profession and your faith, inasmuch as those can be distinguished. Best,
And what faith is that? He's not insulting Christianity. If he's insulting anyone, he's insulting the Creationoids who make Christians look like boobs by association.
All I see him quoted as saying is this: "The fundies want it all taught in a science class, but this will be a nice slap in their big fat face by teaching it as a religious studies class under the category mythology."
What insult is contained therein? Do you have a problem with being called a "fundy?" Is the "fat face" thing getting your panties in a wad? Perhaps your issue is with your particualr myhtology being taught as somethign other than scientifically founded?
Oh, and: Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.
Thank you, but science isn't my profession, and, though I recognize that this crack about faith is intended as a barb, I have no problem with the fact that, at bottom, all reasoning, including from assumed axioms in formal systems, requires some element of faith. It's just that some reasoning is done with as much institutionalized cynically critical rigor as we can muster, and we call that natural sciences.
About damned time.
I have no problem with the fact that, at bottom, all reasoning, including from assumed axioms in formal systems, requires some element of faith.
Not necessarily. The Axiom of Choice is a great example. You don't have to "believe" it, you just have to say whether or not you assume it.
It's just that some reasoning is done with as much institutionalized cynically critical rigor as we can muster, and we call that natural sciences.
Oh, you can muster a little more. Just a little more.
What part of polemics do you not understand? But,...No, it doesn't. It indicates a quarrel, which you started by denigrating my contribution, and which you continue with your usual air of faintly patronizing rhetoric.
You never told me whether your accusation that I started the quarrel was a mistake or a lie.
"What a ridiculous comparison to the facts of this case."
Oh, good grief. You people pride yourself so on your rationality, but not a one of you can put a coherent thought together.
It's not a comparison; it's a demonstration that speech can rise to the level of religious persecution. That done, one can next proceed to ask whether the present case so rises.
"This school is offering a comparative mythology class that includes a discussion of creationism."
No, this school is offering a class within the Religion department that labels ID and Creationism as myths. It is analogous to the Psychology department offering a course titled, "Atheism and Other Perversions."
"For you to say that is equivalent to singling out a student for anti-Semitic ridicule in class is beyond absurd."
It would be, if I has said anything even remotely resembling that.
Tell ya what. Come to Raleigh, NC. I'll meet you personally. It'd be a pleasure.
> Come to Raleigh, NC. I'll meet you personally.
Paypal me the airline ticket money and re-imbursement for taking days off of work.
What interest do you have in me coming to Raleigh, anyway?
Exactly the response I expected. Typical.
> It is analogous to the Psychology department offering a course titled, "Atheism and Other Perversions."
Only if you consider "mythology" to be equivalent to "perversion."
"Only if you consider "mythology" to be equivalent to "perversion."
Heavens to Murgatroyd, can't you people *think*?
Not "equivalent to," analogous to.
Science types like to denigrate humanities types by saying that the only reason they're in such easy fields is that they can't do science.
Sometimes, that's true. However, science types also seem to be unable to perform the type of abstract thinking that is necessary to solving certain classes of problems.
Sure thing, 'pal'.
What Professor Mirecki says about his course on a Yahoo listserv is protected speech. On that listserv, Professor Mirecki can mock Senator Browlnlee's religion, appearance, clothing style, favorite pro hockey team, and pet parrot, and his job is not in jeopardy.
Sucks, doesn't it?
Well gee golly, "Professor"........let me clue you into a little word called "context". Look it up. It explains the exchange you butted into.
Now, "Professor", care to debate the impact of the First Amendment on the REAL issue on this thread and the reply above you deigned to stick your up-in-the-air nose into?
Bring it.
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