Iran: 5000 Fanatic Muslim Clerics To US Mosques

The Post Chronicle ^ | by J. Grant Swank, Jr | Nov 24, 2005

[SheLion]

That's a good map, but it's missing important information on Utah.

This is the second map Steve Emerson published in two years.  It seems the Mosque's are springing up faster in the United States then what he can keep up with.  Scary, isn't it!

That's a good map, but it's missing important information on Utah.

This is the second map Steve Emerson published in two years.  It seems the Mosque's are springing up faster in the United States then what he can keep up with.  Scary, isn't it!

[timestax]

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[indcons]

These are the two military commanders/rulers who were instrumental in saving India from the barbaric muslim hordes in the 15th and 16th centuries. The third significant hero was Maharana Pratap, who fought against Akbar, one of the later Mughals.

Guru Gobind Singh, the revered hero in the second photo, was killed by the muslims.

The three of them are heroes for most Hindus, Sikhs, and others in India. Of course, these three are obviously despised by the muslims.

[indcons]

Our leaders (India, the USA and others) must publicly deceive, at times, in order to win any war.

I knew a time when India and the USA were lukewarm in their relationships with each other. The collapse of the Soviet Union, the increasing rise of a military China, and the common threat of Islamic terrorism have brought both the countries together in the last 20 yars (the tide turned with the Reagan-Rajeev bilateral talks in 1985).

Under Pres. Bush, former PM Vaypayee, and PM Singh, our attitude towards each other has developed into one of friendship and mutual respect. I think ties can only get stronger; there may be hicciups in the short term but I personally see a hugely successful partnership in the near future.

This is the likely alliance we will be against in the future.

[Gengis Khan]

For the GWOT to be a real GWOT both India and US should have joined hands to take on Iran and Pakistan (and Saudi Arabia) the world's worst terrorist states. India I believe is in the process of dumping Iran. I would have liked to see the US do the same in case of Pakistan. Lets be clear on one thing, Pakistan is no ally in the war against terror. Pakistan is the terror just as much as Iran. What is infuriateing for me is to read such news of rape and genocide of Hindus in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Kashmir and our allies not showing any concern for it. Instead when Pakistan is made an ally and supplied with more weaponry to encourage it to do what it does best (i.e spread terror) its like sending a message to the Hindus that your lives dont matter. It spreads doubts in the minds of Indians about America's intentions. Hindu holocaust had been happening for centuries and is still happening. Pakistans status as an ally on GWOT is just unacceptable. Check these site

 

http://www.hinduhumanrights.org/

http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/atrocities/index.html
http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/sundry/genocide.html

http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/elibrary/articles/plightofhindusinpakistan-prn.html

[ArmyTeach]

Thanks. I did see that you answered my question in an earlier post. Very interesting history that many of us are not aware of.

[familyop]

GK:

Thank you for the links, GK. We in the USA could learn much from those. If you have time, it might be a good idea to put those on your Free Republic "links" page or your front page there. The editing interface is quick to use (link at the bottom of your page).

http://www.hinduhumanrights.org/
http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/atrocities/index.html
http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/sundry/genocide.html
http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/elibrary/articles/plightofhindusinpakistan-prn.html

GK, it is difficult to express our sadness at such atrocities by writing public words to a web discussion board, so our words tend to omit the warmer side of us that you would see in our actual presence. What can I say? I'm sorry.

And yes, do assume that I am ignorant of many cultural things about India. The people here from India who check my physical condition and assist with my software development training don't say a whole lot about religion or history to me, although they are good to me.

I care, but how should we best go about stopping the miseries? Many Indians are already uncomfortable with what military presences we have near India. When our soldiers are not living near enough to communicate with you on a daily basis, propaganda about them makes fictitious monsters of them. I was a combat soldier for seven years. Many who did not personally meet me or my buddies in the fire teams (or any US soldiers) thought we were monsters, because of the various conspiracy stories and news stories of rare crimes that they read about one occasional bad soldier among millions of us from afar. Most of those who did meet us loved us, and some cried when we had to return home.

We in the USA are also baffled by our supposed "alliance" with Pakistan and know that it must be a purely tactical diplomatic task. How much important, hard-to-get information, for one consideration, would you like to continue getting from Pakistan? ...not to mention some of the top politicians there at least trying, sometimes (even if they are treacherous, sometimes) to assist with a better eventual situation for India.

And now India is hooked up with the Northern Alliance and has a presence in Afghanistan courtesy of so many lives of men from the USA. Diplomacy for getting more control of some regions is very difficult to tolerate, but it is better than seeing many more deaths.

Our presences in Iraq and Afghanistan are not so much about "weapons of mass destruction" (although those should be looked for) or other matters of the media. Those presences are good tactical positions for we who want our independence and don't want the kind of nationalism conducive to expansions against other countries--expansions by radical Islamists, communist/fascist/mother-church parties that must conquer other countries in order to retain control over their own (see censorship, national religions, banned religions,...).

In the USA, violent attacks by religious groups against other religious groups are rare. Have you wondered as to why? The international and domestic "news" about us causes most to make hasty assumptions. We are not an Atheist nation. We are not a Christian nation. We are not an Islamic nation. Because of our "no establishment" of religion clause, such is not allowed by our Constitution. Yet, we may publicly express our religious beliefs. Sure, some try to assert their religious domination in our country with words and signs, but they have not done so with actions. By-and-large, brutal public rhetoric by some religions against others is much less common than in almost any other country. At least one religious minority that has suffered more than any other in the world feels safer here, so far, than in any other country.

...back to the issue of Pakistan here. What could we specifically do to help, GK? You suggested, if I read correctly, that the USA break off seeming diplomatic ties with Pakistan. I assume that you are aware that the F-16 deal with Pak did *not* happen, yet. Do you see Mushy and those close to him walking the tightrope between staying in office there while trying to make a better overall situation in some ways? Can he really do anything in cooperation with the leaders of India about Kashmir, for one, and stay in office in Pakistan? I don't know and don't even really know whether he is sincere or simply afraid of avoiding all cooperation.

And how will matters be if even diplomatic ties are broken with Pakistan? What will happen to non-Muslims in Pakistan then?

What more specifically can we do, GK? I feel a little helpless to even suggest new, meaningful solutions to anyone.

Again, I'm not experienced in even one-to-one diplomacy, but we should try to do better today than we did yesterday. Yes?

And thanks for keeping the dialogue going. We're all human, and I am also subject to emotions, biases and the like. If we can tolerate those (within reason) once in a while, we'll make things work out.

[familyop]

Oh, pardon me. I didn't see that you already have some material on your page.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~gengiskhan/

Those links (with titles) would be a good addition, though.

[familyop]

Thank you very much for the information and link.

Chinese naval fleet leaves Pakistan (after an exercise)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1528713/posts

There will be bumps along the way, most likely some of those due to negative information disseminations by fringe ethnic/religious groups in the USA and in India. But if we learn enough and overcome the counter-productive media releases and wrongful actions by the few fringe politicians between now then, we'll make it.

Most of we (the few of us who care enough to learn and to inform others) in India and USA have two basic things in common, if I've learned correctly so far. Neither of us wants our country to rule the world, and we will try to prevent other countries from ruling over us. We are also generous in some ways, even generous to those who are enemies against us. Therefore, it is likely that we have important other good philosophical beliefs in common.

[Gengis Khan]

Oh yes they are.

 

Yes only when they hit you.

As are your Tamil terrorists.

And your Hindu terrorists. 

 

Hindu terrorists? Well whatever...

And what about Christian terrorists eh?

 

 I have travelled .....[blah blah blah]......

 

Your grand-daddy ran from the part of India that Nehru designated as East Pakistan and I was there throughout much of its "war" of "independence."

 

Its one thing to be a neutral spectator of "US citizenship" and quite another thing to be a Hindu trapped inside Moslem Pakistan and being hounded by the Muslim animals. I dont think you would ever know what it is to be a Hindu in Pakistan. Unless you have gone through all this. And frankly I dont think you have. You were probably more of a pampered "White American" guest in that country.  This beautiful country (/sarc) created by the British government scums was their parting gift to the Hindus. And there after both US and UK supported the Land of the Pure and is still continues to do so. Its the "Model state" for the world according to Condoleeza Rice.

 

 Including when the Indian muslim state's Indian creator's Indian daughter intervened there. [And saw many instances of the Indians who are now called "Bangladeshis," in the most barbaricly-gruesome manner imaginable, torturing and slaughtering many of the Indians whose kin are now called "Pakistanis."

 

This line proves you haven't been anywhere outside your burrow. You are supporting the perpetrators of the genocide and parotting the vicious propaganda unleashed by the BBC and Pak Army assisted by Nixon-Kissenger henchmen and minimizing and trivialising the mass genocide of 10 million Benglees raped and butchered by Nixon-Kissenger  and their partner Yahya Khan and the Pakistani Army. So quit bullsh*tting old man and get out of your burrow.

[BlackVeil]

In a another decade or two France, Holland and Britain will become Islamic states that will have Shariat laws. All men will have a beard and women will wear burkas.

I shall believe THAT when I see it!!!

I don't think that Britain is headed in that direction at all. As for the Dutch - the crudest, most sex-obsessed people in Europe. Amsterdam is porno central.

[Gengis Khan]

"I shall believe THAT when I see it!!!"

You wont have to wait too long. Cananda is already about to impose Shariat laws.

"I don't think that Britain is headed in that direction at all."

You dont think? Britain is already in deep deep sh*t. They have a big Muslims population that lives in ghettos. They have regular riotings in Britain between Whites and Muslims.

Britain has given asylum to most of India's top terrorist leaders and the most wanted hardcore militants. In Britain they are free to give out not just hate speeches but also carry out recruitment for jihadi terror attacks in India and elsewhere. Many of the terrorists arrested in Kashmir were actually British nationals. Those wanted Muslims terrorist leaders are not only free to carry on their "holy war" from British soil but also the are given doles by the British government. And their Prince Charles is involved in a world wide PR campaign to educated the world about the "tolerant nature of Islam".

My take is Britain will be the first country in Europe to become an Islamic Kingdom.

[Gengis Khan]

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/03/pakistan-model-state-for-muslim-world.html

[Brian Allen]

Yawn.

[ChuxsterS]

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