Posted on 11/24/2005 3:07:25 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
LANCASTER - Kara Beth Borden was the second girlfriend that David Ludwig took on a long-distance trip without her parents' consent this year.
Confirming a report in a Lancaster newspaper, the Rev. Michael D. Shelley, pastor of the Lititz Christian Church, said Tuesday that Ludwig took a girl to his family's hunting cabin in Juniata County in the spring.
The couple returned voluntarily, Shelley said, adding that he knows the Ludwig family well because they attend his church.
"I know the incident and I know the parents took care of it," Shelley said during a telephone interview Tuesday. "No one else [including police] were involved."
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Apparently not.
You got that right.
I once had a friend who told me he had spent years figuring out the real meaning of the story of Job. (Not the church-taught version in which the meaning is just be patient through life's difficulties.)
He said he eventually concluded that without the story of Job, and the realities it conveys, people would be lining up to follow Christ, not because they loved him and were willing to take whatever came to follow him, but because they viewed being a Christian as in their own immediate (fleshly) self-interest.
IOW, sign up for Christianity---be healthy, wealthy and thin!
As opposed to Jesus who said, Do you think you're *really willing* to go where I'm going? IOW, have you counted *the cost*?
I'm sure you see the difference here in what these two did and the examples you gave. I'd like to add that, maybe it's not kidnapping under the law, but it should be: he is 18, she is 14, AND they crossed state lines. If I remember right they were found in Indiana. That should change everything, why it doesn't in this case is beyond me.
I don't see it as kidnapping. Other laws were broken. Without that, she'd be grounded, sent to her room, and forbidden to see the guy again.
I respect your opinion; but I still see it as kidnapping whether the law does or not. Under 21, no drink; under 18, no smoke; but at 14 it's not kidnapping if an 18 year old gets you to go across state lines with him? That's unbelievable. I'd like to say that extra charge of kidnapping won't matter, but knowing our justice system he might be out of jail someday.
I think you're hung up on relating kidnapping to crossing the state line. There was an old law, I think, the Mann Act, taking a minor across a state line for immoral purposes or some such wording. If that's still around he might get a federal charge.
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