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Chinese hackers breach US military defences: Uncle Sam hacks back in counter attack...
Silicon.com ^ | November 24, 2005 | Tom Espiner

Posted on 11/24/2005 12:30:04 PM PST by billorites

Security experts have revealed tantalising details about a group of Chinese hackers who are suspected of launching intelligence gathering attacks against the US government.

The hackers, who are believed to be based in the Chinese province of Guangdong, are thought to have stolen US military secrets, including aviation specifications and flight-planning software.

The US government has coined the term 'Titan Rain' to describe the hackers.

Alan Paller, director of the SANS Institute, said: "From the Redstone Arsenal, home to the Army Aviation and Missile Command, the attackers grabbed specs for the aviation mission-planning system for Army helicopters, as well as Falconview 3.2, the flight-planning software used by the Army and Air Force."

The team is thought to consist of 20 hackers. Paller claimed the Chinese government was the most likely recipient of the information they intercepted.

He told an event at the Department of Trade and Industry on Tuesday: "Of course it's the government. Governments will pay anything for control of other governments' computers. All governments will pay anything. It's so much better than tapping a phone."

Titan Rain first came to public attention this summer, when the Washington Post reported that websites in China were being used to target computer networks in the Defense Department and other US agencies.

Time later reported that Titan Rain had been counter-hacked by a US security expert called Shawn Carpenter.

The attacks, which are ongoing, were particularly effective on the night of 1 November, 2004, said Paller, who outlined how the hackers first scanned then broke into US government computers.

At 22:23(PST) the Titan Rain hackers exploited vulnerabilities at the US Army Information Systems Engineering Command at Fort Huachuca, Arizona. A few hours later, at 01:19(PST), they exploited the same hole in computers at the Defense Information Systems Agency in Arlington, Virginia.

By 03:25(PST) they had hit the Naval Ocean Systems Center, a Defense Department installation in San Diego, California. Then at 04:46(PST) they struck again - this time at the United States Army Space and Strategic Defense installation in Huntsville, Alabama.

The UK is also under intelligence-gathering cyber attack from the far east, according to the National Infrastructure Security Co-ordination Centre (NISCC). The government body cannot name the countries concerned as this may "ruin diplomatic efforts to halt the attacks", NISCC director Roger Cummings said on Tuesday.


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To: ARealMothersSonForever
"And never install the virus called AOL."

Other than their constant liberal news on the front page, I have had good success with AOL. What else would you recommend?

41 posted on 11/24/2005 2:31:28 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: singfreedom
I hate those evil Chinkazoids.

Chinkazoids? Very enlightened of you.
42 posted on 11/24/2005 2:33:14 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: AGreatPer
If you are limited to dial-up, Yahoo or G-Mail for mail. If you have broadband, any service provider besides AOHELL. And use a router with firewall, and use the firewall correctly. Most folks will just set themselves up DMZ so they do not have to configure it. If you are broadband and wireless, contact Linksys (Cisco) and secure your network at WEP or tighter. In the event that you use VPN for anything, your service provider and your Virtual Private Network Administrator will need to provide you with information for configuration.

No matter who your broadband ISP is, you can always make FR your homepage!

43 posted on 11/24/2005 2:46:50 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (Proud to be named as a member of the Radical Right Wing. Vast Right Wing got old.)
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To: jegoing

you got that right.

But calling them "Chinkazoids" is immature, childish and kinda stupid.


45 posted on 11/24/2005 2:56:53 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: Jigsaw John

Freerepublic.com and talk radio. Certainly not from Dan Rather.


46 posted on 11/24/2005 3:05:01 PM PST by jedgarlives
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
I am on a dial-up with an old computer. Using 95. All has been working great for 7 years. A little slow but good enough for what I use it for.

Free AVG caught a virus a few years ago and put it in jail.

There is nothing on my sys that I can't lose and regret it.

In spite of my limited capabilities I do quite a bit around the world speaking in secured chats mainly dedicated to the presurvation of wild animals in Mid and South Africa. I am not a tree hugger but many of the people I deal with are far far left.

My only problem with the puter is the inability to post pictures of wildlife. I don't have one of those ISB ports. I will get a new puter next year and solve that problem.

Don't get me wrong. I hate AOL. There is no place to complain on their front page about their left leaning stories. It is very similar to the NY Times. I do want out of AOL and will consider something different next year.

Verizon is coming in early next year and I think I will switch to them.

Thanks for the recommendations.

Bill in Hershey, PA

47 posted on 11/24/2005 3:05:51 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
>>>"And never install the virus called AOL"<<<

LOL

5 or 6 computers ago and different providers I figured that out, MSN isn't much different.

I am no computer whiz by any stretch, but it was AOL is a collective control freak of an organization. Google is starting to give me the creeps as well.

TT
48 posted on 11/24/2005 3:10:11 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: cripplecreek

It's a 'leftover' thing from Ol' Slick and his cintributor Bernie of LORAL fame.


49 posted on 11/24/2005 3:10:12 PM PST by litehaus
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To: Rebelbase

Why are military computers with Top Secret material even connected to the Internet?

They aren't. There's a secret internet, called the SIPRNet. If that got hacked, there would be real trouble. Of course, that would have to be an inside job.

I'll bet you that a lot of these specs that are being stolen are of dubious value. Some may even be honeypots, designed to lure in hackers so we can learn more about them. That being said, it may still be possible to deduce classified information from a number of unclassified sources.


50 posted on 11/24/2005 3:12:05 PM PST by rbg81
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To: rbg81

nope.

I can say they got into the NIPRnet.

maybe they wanted to read the jokes people send around? :)


51 posted on 11/24/2005 3:20:00 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: cripplecreek

a) It wasn't the Chinese Government who did the hacking
b) Klintoon Legacy includes giving China Most Favoured Nation Statue.


52 posted on 11/24/2005 3:33:08 PM PST by Petey139
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To: Nat Turner
"And never install the virus called AOL."

Ain't that the truth.

I'm always a little leery of anyone with an AOL email address.

Seems like they're usually the type who used to ride the short bus, if you catch my drift.

53 posted on 11/24/2005 3:36:55 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites
The hackers, who are believed to be based in the Chinese province of Guangdong,

You mean the province that was just obliterated by a series of nuclear explosions whose source is unknown?

54 posted on 11/24/2005 4:05:00 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: stolat

Well, I wrote a little program that monitors the ports on my computer and keeps a record of attempted accesses along with the data transmitted. I am sure there are many commercial (and freeware) programs that do the same thing (and much more) but I haven't really investigated this - I guess I am kinda a do-it-yourself sort of guy when it comes to computers.

One thing you can do to make sure you don't have any unwanted services running on any of your ports (i.e. potential security holes) is to go to https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 and have it scan your machine.


55 posted on 11/24/2005 5:48:25 PM PST by Avenger
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To: billorites
How the undermining of US intelligence continues in cyberspace
Posted by George Ou @ 8:35 am

When my friend emailed me this story on Time Online about Chinese cyberspies, I thought it was just going to be just another story about cyber attacks from China. Even the title of the Time article "The Invasion of the Chinese Cyberspies (And the Man Who Tried to Stop Them)" gave no indication of the alarming ineffectiveness of US cyber intelligence policy. The article chronicled the work of an American Veteran Shawn Carpenter who tracked down and counter-hacked a Chinese cyberespionage ring called "Titan Rain" that hacked everything from Lockheed to NASA to the Army. What's shocking is that the FBI who unofficially worked with Carpenter ended up investigating Carpenter rather than the Titan Rain and dumped all of Carpenter's work.

It turns out that US intelligence agencies must go through a "cumbersome authorization process that can be as tough as sending covert agents into foreign lands" before they can track down any foreign hackers. This also means that they can't officially work with someone like Shawn Carpenter since it's illegal for a US citizen to counter-hack in to a foreign country. The US essentially has to play nice and hope that a foreign government will be cooperative. The reality is that the Titan Rain are so professional and organized that many in the intelligence community suspect the Chinese government of being the sponsors of Titan Rain and this is simply a continuation of the 90s when China routinely stole technology from American companies and National Laboratories. Since the Chinese government is giving zero cooperation in the investigation against Titan Rain and went as far as calling the charges against Titan Rain "totally groundless, irresponsible and unworthy of refute", US intelligence has very little to work with.

Up until Shawn Carpenter successfully counter-hacked Titan Rain, there wasn't even any direct evidence that the attacks were emanating from China in the first place. It was known that massive numbers of cyber attacks were coming from China but no one could be certain if China was just being used as a proxy by some other foreign country who managed hack in to Chinese computers to use them as a launch platform. Carpenter had actually managed to install his own bugging code into one of Titan Rain's primary routers in Guangdong China (near Hong Kong) and could effectively monitor Titan Rain's every move and verified that the hacks were indeed emanating from China. Carpenter fed this intelligence to the FBI for months and was showered with praise until the FBI abruptly stopped communicating with him in March of 2005. Carpenter ended up being the subject of an FBI investigation which eventually ended up filing no charges against him but resulted in his dismissal from his employer Sandia National Laboratories. What's most shocking is that the FBI did not even bother to ask Carpenter for the password to Titan Rain's router or any of the other tools that Carpenter used to infiltrate Titan Rain. If Shawn Carpenter had hacked in to an Al Qaeda network, his work probably would have been discarded the same way.

What the Carpenter case illustrates is a continuation of the gutting of US intelligence that started back in the 70s with Senator Frank Church's Church commission and the 90s with Robert Torricelli leading an effort to "reform" the CIA. In their crusade to investigate the CIA and turn them in to a kinder gentler agency, the Church commission leaked so much classified information that it lead to the deaths of many US informants in foreign countries which dried up all other leads since no one wants to work with a country whose own Senate might betray them. The Torricelli reforms forbade the CIA from recruiting terrorists and criminals as informants yet anyone who knows the spy business knows that effective informants are usually not choir boys. Now that the FBI has let Carpenter's work go to waste, it would seem that 9/11 hasn't really taught us anything and we're still more interested in being politically correct than being safe.
56 posted on 11/24/2005 6:41:41 PM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Rebelbase

COTS n' cost.


57 posted on 11/24/2005 7:44:37 PM PST by Wiz
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

ping


58 posted on 11/24/2005 7:45:51 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: SolutionsOnly

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1320747/posts
George Soros, Media Connections - Bump List


59 posted on 11/24/2005 7:48:27 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Myrddin

Ping!


60 posted on 11/24/2005 7:52:36 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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