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1 posted on 11/24/2005 6:30:19 AM PST by A. Pole
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Swedish pastor stands now before Sweden's Supreme Court on "hate crime" charges. The charges against the pastor, Ake Green, stem from a sermon he preached on the biblical view of homosexual behavior.


2 posted on 11/24/2005 6:32:13 AM PST by A. Pole (Marcus Lucanus: "Pigmies placed on the shoulders of giants see more than the giants themselves.")
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Warning: An obsession to be Queer has the very real consequence of making you queer trying to appear normal, yet everyones knows your queer.. because you are..


5 posted on 11/24/2005 7:04:21 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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I don't profess to having even the slightest clue as to the answer to the question posed. I do, however, have an observation (a subjective one at that).

EVERY homosexual I have ever known has a similar trait in their background. A dominant mother in the household and a weak or absent father. The mother, in some cases, has been a well meaning single mom who just pushed the control issue to far for too long. In other cases, it has been the steroyupical raving battle-axe who often sent the father fleeing or had the father cowed and brow-beaten into submissiveness.

But, every gay I've known has come from a background of the DOMINANT mother figure.

My subjectve opinion, a boy needs his father and his father needs to be a man.

Feel free to flame away. Like I said, mine is a very subjective observation and opinion.


6 posted on 11/24/2005 7:09:09 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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Answer: Evil

Next question please.....


7 posted on 11/24/2005 7:12:19 AM PST by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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I don't know whether it's genetic or what, but I am convinced that many homosexuals of both sexes are born that way, will always be that way, and cannot change.

I think that there is also a group of people who become de facto homosexuals because of environmental factors, childhood trauma for example, but who were not inherently homosexual. Perhaps it is possible for some of these people to adjust to heterosexual orientation, perhaps not. Some can not; this probably depends on various factors such as the severity of the causative trauma, the personal resources of the individual involved, et al.

8 posted on 11/24/2005 7:13:48 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Oprah: The light that shines so gently on those who need it most." ~Sidney Poitier)
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Its an evil mental illness. It's not genetic, that is bullshi8.


9 posted on 11/24/2005 7:19:13 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Happy Thanks Giving!

Here's the "hatespeech" sermon by the Swedish Pastor. I read about a third of it, and realized I'll have to read the rest later. I think it's beautiful, true, founded on scripture, and note this at the end:

"We must never think that some people, because of their sinful lives, would end up outside of grace. Paul says about himself that he was the foremost of all sinners, but he encountered an abundance of grace and mercy. He also states in First Corinthians 6:9-11, when he lists sexual immorality with other sins, that you can be saved from all the listed sins, including sexual immorality. What these people need, who live under the slavery of sexual immorality, is an abundant grace. It exists. It is valid also for them.

Therefore we will encourage those who live in this manner to look at the grace of Jesus Christ. We cannot condemn these people -- Jesus never did that either. He showed everyone He met deep respect for the person they were, for instance the adulterous woman, in John 8, or the woman at the well in Sychar, according to John 4. Jesus never belittled anyone. He offered them grace. We must never belittle anyone who lives in sin. The sin we cannot bear -- but the human being [we must hold up]."

That's not "Hate Speech", that's Love Speech.

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16 posted on 11/24/2005 7:51:42 AM PST by little jeremiah
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This article states the scriptural verdict on homosexuality. Therefore it is God's view, and everyone will answer to him the day they die.


17 posted on 11/24/2005 7:52:06 AM PST by RoadTest (I am come - - that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.)
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We're told way back in Genesis 1 that the reason God created man was to have mankind be in His image. V. 26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image....."

Then we have it in Gen 1:27, "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

We can only deduce that profaning the male-female relationship is profaning the image of God.

The ramifications of that should scare the pants off of anyone.

19 posted on 11/24/2005 7:55:21 AM PST by nightdriver
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Here's a listing of other articles on the Bible and homosexuality:

2004

Scholar to address biblical references to homosexuality
'Gay Militia' storms Christian meeting
Bible verses regarded as hate literature
The Bible and Homosexuality

2003

What Does the Bible Say About Homosexuality, Adultery...
What does the Bible actually say about being gay?
The Christian Confronted by Homosexuality
Talmud on Homosexuality
Is banning the Bible next?
Christianity and Homosexuality
A divisive debate over the Bible spotlighted Episcopalians' OK for gay bishop

2002

The Bible as 'hate literature'?
Responding to Pro-Gay Theology

1999

The Challenge of Maintaining a Biblical Perspective on Homosexuality
Homosexuality: Balancing Truth and Mercy

1998

St. Paul's Argument From Nature Against Homosexuality
Roman's 1 on Homosexuality
Leviticus and Homosexuality

21 posted on 11/24/2005 7:58:23 AM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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Is homosexuality genetic? Here are some articles from the year 2005 on the subject:

Latest 'Gay' Brain Study Scrutinized
Mommy, Am I A Boy Or A Girl?
New Genetics Study Undermines Gay Gene Theory
Impossible becomes conceivable... same-sex couples may one day have genetic offspring
Homosexual Researcher Claims Genome Scan Of Sexual Orientation
Gay-Affirmative Public School Teachers/Curricula May Influence Brain Maturation In Teens
On Ducks And Homosexuality
Genes Linked With Male Sexual Orientation Found
Studies Showing The Relationship Between Childhood Sexual Abuse & Later Involvement In Homosexuality

23 posted on 11/24/2005 8:00:05 AM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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Articles from 2004 on genetics and homosexuality:

Ex-Gay Is Ok
Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not 'Born That Way'
Heteroflexible -- or Fauxmosexual?
'This is the Way God Made Me': A Scientific Examination of Homosexuality and the 'Gay Gene'
What About the 'Gay Gene'? An Honest Look at the Evidence
Homosexuality: The Essentialist Argument Continues to Erode
Homosexuality is not biologically determined - latest research
The Animal Homosexuality Myth
Fencing with the NY Times Over Gay Marriage
Expert Gives Powerful Testimony in Defense of the Family
Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality is Genetic
Gays in Society: The Growing Clash

24 posted on 11/24/2005 8:02:15 AM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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Nobody but God knows for certain. But if a gay gene is ever identified it will end abortion and the democrat party.


26 posted on 11/24/2005 8:04:56 AM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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If you're not sure where you stand on this issue, you may find this of interest: Dr. Robert Spitzer Interviewed In 'Christianity Today' Magazine. Read that very carefully. Take special note of who Dr. Spitzer is, what he used to think and what he thinks and says now.

Now couple the above with the very important results of the Twins Studies, a summary of what science has stated and the extremely important growing number of ex-gays. After reading the above links you should have a better understanding of the issues.

34 posted on 11/24/2005 8:13:55 AM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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Straight Talk Radio is a Christian ministy dedicated to helping homosexuals out of the lifestyle. It's run by Stephen Bennett Ministries and, IMO, is a much needed ministry.
38 posted on 11/24/2005 8:28:27 AM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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I am always amazed at the enthusiasm and detail with which the Bible is quoted by people who have never read it in it's original form. Not being a speaker of Hebrew or Aramaic I have to trust the translators of the old testament - likewise those who translated the new testament from it's original Greek. By and large the translation used is the King James Version translated by 54 English scholars and bishops spread between Oxford, Cambridge and Westminster. So what is really being quoted is a series of books written largely by arabs and then translated by Englishmen 400 years ago and therefore reflecting the beliefs and standards of Englishmen in 1600.

That's not to say it's not valid, but a lot must have changed since it was originally written, such that taking it literally as the word of God is to place a great deal of faith in the objectivity of those select and elite members of mediaeval English society doing the translating.


39 posted on 11/24/2005 8:34:02 AM PST by Anglophilestine
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Whether homosexuality is congenital or not, we know that MAJOR CAUSE OF THE SPREAD OF AIDS. Even though more time and effort has gone into a campaign of public relations against that proposition. I am convinced that homosexuals are at much greater risk of contracting the deadly desease than heterosexuals. That is the issue. That is the problem. That is the undeniable fact of life, and that is the reason homosexuality is wrong, because it is a major health hazard, and is responsible for the pandemic spread of one of the most deadly and costly illnesses in the world.

To say that it is a sin is simply the wrong approach. First of all sin has relevance only to those who profess a belief in God and in Christ. And as dogmatic as Christians can be about the exclusivity of their belief systems, there are many millions who do not hold the same beliefs and to hold non-believers up to the standard of the bible is ludicrous to their way of thinking.

If you are preaching to the choir then it is relevant to say that homosexuality wrong. Still its etiology is not relevant. Even the Catholic Church has recently made a clear distinction between the sin and the sinner. Homosexuals, who are not engaging in homosexual sex, and who do not openly approve or support the activity are suitable for admission into the clergy, just as any celibate individual is. So to say that homosexuality is genetic is to beg the question that God created man in his image and likeness, which is probably the bases for the religious denial of this possibility.

All in all the Christian who purports to convince an atheist that homosexuals are sinners, is spitting into a wind that is blowing into his face. If there is a more effective way to create hostility among homosexuals toward Christianity, I do not know of it. As a Christian, I say that homosexual contact is a sin, for Christians and they will be chastened by God. If the sinner cannot learn he will be taught. As for non-believers, they have a more loathsome problem, and no matter what conclusion you may come to about homosexuals, they like all other non believers will receive their recompense.



57 posted on 11/24/2005 9:24:26 AM PST by street_lawyer
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He shouldn't be prosecuted for this, but it does look misguided. Ascribing human conduct to "Genetics or Evil Force" -- a curse either way -- leaves out most of our behavior and what motivates it. It's akin to blaming witchcraft, rather than looking seriously at how people interact with each other, how our environment affects us and how we affect it. That he relies on scripture for evidence, rather than empirical evidence isn't encouraging. Nothing against the Bible, but it's not the most reliable science textbook.


65 posted on 11/24/2005 9:42:14 AM PST by x
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If evlolution is true why hasn't homosexuality been eliminated?


79 posted on 11/24/2005 11:03:13 AM PST by seawolf101
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Do he seriously really has to ask? We all know. I mean seriously, how much BS can the minds of the world hold without blowing fecal matter from the ears of every human?

We all know. It is generally a father son, mother daughter relationship issue derived to such a point that babyboomers twisted it into a cultural normality-irregularity within the current generation, in order to validate their impedance of dealing with the WWII generation. Just a rouse perpetrated by a bunch of weak ass liberal babyboomers to afraid to take a stand for anything that would run counter to their hatred of the previous generation before their own.
124 posted on 11/24/2005 5:59:15 PM PST by Porterville (beware the nature-nazis)
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