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Is Homosexuality Genetic or an Evil Force that Plays Mind Games with People?
AkeGreen.org ^ | July 20, 2003 | Ake Green

Posted on 11/24/2005 6:30:15 AM PST by A. Pole

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To: Pharmboy
Anything that prevents a species from having success in leaving offspring to the next generation is maladaptive. Exclusive homosexuality is exactly that.

No, it is a conscious choosing to do so. Humans are completely set apart from other species in their ability to make choices. Homosexuality (an inaccurate terminology) is no more a genotype or phenotype than is pedophilia, murder, robbery or rape...

221 posted on 11/26/2005 11:20:33 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Well, yeah, the same way heterosexual sex for a guy is a "choice." Your witness. (Hint for you: we are not blank automatons. We have brains that are pre-wired with certain instincts and certain behaviors that are in response to environmental stimuli).


222 posted on 11/26/2005 11:26:55 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: bigsigh
I don't see homosexuals asking for special rights. I see them asking for equal access.

They have it, they can marry one person of the opposite sex like any heterosexual can... it is equal access to a license for a privileged practice...

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How is allowing government marriage license special recognition.

It ignores the rights of people as an individual (single people). It grants legal immunities to monogamists, something denied to the individual person and polygamists. Homosexuals are incapable of monogamy; the word “monogamy” denotes a biological procreation homosexuals are not capable of with one another...

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It would seem the burden is on you and those who oppose equal access to make a case other than you think homosexuality is a bad idea.

It is illogical and not an anatomical function of the human creature, neither is it a biological necessity to continue the reproduction of our species - - in fact, it is destructive.

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Since you seem to think you are clever, let's see if you can answer these:

1. From where are the “rights” enumerated in the Constitution derived?

2. Where in the Constitution is the word “marriage” found?

Marriage is not a civil right; marriage is a religious rite...

223 posted on 11/26/2005 12:00:31 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Forest Keeper

Thanks for the response. I've sent a private reply with answers to your questions. It was more the title of the article that got to me. If Rev. Green or whoever put the article on the Internet had done so under the heading "What Christians Should Think About Homosexuality" I wouldn't have objected. But to pose the question about whether homosexuality's genetic or an evil force -- and those are hardly the only two options -- without looking at other sources strikes me as far from the best approach. If you ask why or where it comes from, you ought to look at all the evidence.


224 posted on 11/26/2005 12:03:17 PM PST by x
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To: Pharmboy
Well, yeah, the same way heterosexual sex for a guy is a "choice."

Celibacy is a choice... so is bisexuality, masturbation and bestiality.

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Hint for you: we are not blank automatons.

Well, I'm certainly not...

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We have brains that are pre-wired with certain instincts and certain behaviors that are in response to environmental stimuli.

But unlike any animal, I can control mine.

Pavlov's salivating dogs salivate when the little bell goes ringy-dingy and hasn't the foggiest clue as to why. The human being (at least, the civilized ones, anyway) knows why...

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...we are not blank automatons.

We have brains that are...

Who is “we” ??? Got a mouse in your pocket?

The irrefutable and obvious function of anatomy in mammals is the biological evidence that ruins your illogical arguments...

225 posted on 11/26/2005 12:25:55 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: bigsigh

Did I say equate? I asked where you draw the line, if any line? Besides, there are other forms of deviant sex--is that where you get the equivalency perhaps? I don't think you answered my question. Besides the deviance issue, there is the huge public health issue that is ignored.


226 posted on 11/26/2005 12:30:10 PM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: Neoliberalnot
I referred you to my other comments. That should tell you where I draw the line. If you have a specific comment that needs clarification, ask a question.

The marriage of homos may lead to more monogamy and thus improve public health. The presence of a spouse when one is old and infirm reduces the cost on public funding. If you see something different please elaborate. Your comments seem wrong and illogical.

227 posted on 11/26/2005 12:44:16 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: A. Pole

First of all, I can tell by your post that you're extremely young, so I'll try to be nice. Also, I hate repeating myself, but I will make one more exception. I have no intollerance for God or religion, only people who use it to hurt other people.

Dr. Charles Krauthammer


228 posted on 11/26/2005 12:46:05 PM PST by BagelFace
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To: CheneyChick

I agree with you. The pastor merely did what a good pastor would do....read what the Word has to say about it.


229 posted on 11/26/2005 12:53:02 PM PST by Jackknife ( "I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him 'father'." —Will Rogers)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Y'know, based on your responses, I still don't think you understand what I'm saying. Oh well...
230 posted on 11/26/2005 1:04:20 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: DGray

You do not agree with Ake Green? You believe sodomy is genetic?


231 posted on 11/26/2005 1:05:02 PM PST by Free Baptist
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To: Free Baptist

Sodomy is a behavior. Behaviors are not genetic. Homosexuality is not a behavior. It's something a person either is or isn't. And yes, I do believe people can be born homosexual, and no, I am not a Christian. Not everyone on Free Republic is Christian, and not everyone on Free Republic hates gay people. However, even though I do not agree with the majority of Freepers on the origins or the morality of homosexuality, I definitely believe in the right of everyone to be able to express their views freely, and as such, I abhor the ghost of a nation that Sweden has become.


232 posted on 11/26/2005 1:11:53 PM PST by DGray (http://nicanfhilidh.blogspot.com)
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Homosexuals are born the way they are.

God planned it that way.

next question. .

233 posted on 11/26/2005 1:13:08 PM PST by FranklySpeaking
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
The Philippines has a very matriarchal culture. In the villages around the place where we ministered, the women got up at 4:00 a.m. and got on buses to go to the factories to work. At 8:00 a.m. you see the men of those villages in their basketball shorts and jerseys, and rubber flip-flops, walking around the streets and paths, jostling the babies in their arms. Many are drinking, or sitting around gambling their wives' earnings away at cards.

SODOMY and TRANSVESTITISM is openly displayed and flaunted in the streets and public places in the Philippines, and giggled at by the young people meeting in groups after school, MORE THAN in any city I have ever visited in the USA. I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area, stayed 22 weeks in San Antonio in the service, lived later near Miami, Florida, visited Key West many times... I have never seen on any street in the USA what I have seen in the streets in the Philippines with regard to open perversion.

When Mama rules the home and society, SODOMY proliferates!
234 posted on 11/26/2005 1:15:23 PM PST by Free Baptist
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To: Anglophilestine

The King James Bible has been the source of the preaching that undergirded the greatest revival periods on at least three continents. It's still up to date. The English of the KJB is still spoken in many English-speaking regions, and I've visited several of them myself. It's teaching on the subject of morality, and the abominations of sodomy are absolutely correct.


235 posted on 11/26/2005 1:22:13 PM PST by Free Baptist
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To: All

Medical science is studying in utero genetic formation through hormonal imbalance or balance. Animal studies are being conducted and results are pointing to biological causation.

The original writer stated nature does not have abnormalities. This statement is incorrect - much of nature crosses gender lines when reproduction is not threatened.

The sexual organs of male/female are similar but situated in different areas of the body. Both male and female have nipples (unless an abnormality has occurred).

I am not promoting the gay culture, however the arguments that biological forces determine gender identity are getting stronger and stronger.

A choice can be determined by belief in religious doctrine of course.... but one cannot change their proclivity to gender preference.

Some can live with it, or choose to live with an identity at all.... and some have surgical change.....

But one's mind is something which religious belief will have to aim the appeal to.... because calling gender malfunction is not the sin any more than a hare lip or spina bifida or Down Syndrome...

There is a choice for the individual of course, but not a choice for gender ... only a choice for lifestyle.

The sin remains in how the accusers are going to formulate it.


236 posted on 11/26/2005 1:26:41 PM PST by imintrouble
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To: DGray

You have learned to play the mind game well! The Bible doesn't use the word "homosexuality." The Bible speaks about sodomy and effeminacy. Both are abominations.


237 posted on 11/26/2005 1:28:18 PM PST by Free Baptist
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To: Pharmboy
I still don't think you understand what I'm saying.

Oh, I understand equivocations and perceive deceptions perfectly well. It is your misunderstanding of this that undermines your argument aside from anything I have said.

238 posted on 11/26/2005 1:36:00 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

You have confirmed my impression.


239 posted on 11/26/2005 1:38:39 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: imintrouble
I am not promoting the gay culture,...

No, you're just lying about it...

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...however the arguments that biological forces determine gender identity are getting stronger and stronger.

No, it still takes a male and female to produce a baby.

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The sexual organs of male/female are similar but situated in different areas of the body. Both male and female have nipples (unless an abnormality has occurred).

Nipples are not sexual organs you dope...

240 posted on 11/26/2005 1:45:13 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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