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What a conundrum...the poster boy gone bad.
1 posted on 11/23/2005 3:20:03 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

Memo to the Left:

Don't you hate when that happens?


2 posted on 11/23/2005 3:22:05 AM PST by samtheman
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Seems those who would free rapists, especially those convicted with eye witness corroboration, never seem to acknowledge that a condom may have been used by the rapist and the victim may have had consensual sexual relations with someone else. Sperm can remain alive in the cervix for 48 hours.

These Project Innocence outcomes are not always in the name of innocence or justice.

3 posted on 11/23/2005 3:37:57 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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Makes you wonder if one day they'll find an error in the DNA test which proves that it's not as certain as they think it is?


4 posted on 11/23/2005 3:42:31 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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if the DNA evidence was for a different human being then he was not guilty....of course the cops probably picked him up as he was one of "the usual suspects" as he probably was and still is a 'dirtbag'. or.....years of having to bend over for his bigger, meaner roomie screwed up his head (along with other things).

either way it is not at all unbelievable to me.


5 posted on 11/23/2005 3:44:57 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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"This case has blown us away," Stephen M. Glynn, a Milwaukee lawyer who has represented Mr. Avery in a $36 million civil lawsuit against the former prosecutor and former sheriff in the original sexual assault case, said of the new charges against Mr. Avery. "I haven't taken that hard a punch in a long, long time."

Why that's...that's...$12,000,000 contingency up in smoke as we speak! Drat! And I could have found some McDonalds coffee drinker to represent! Drat, again!

7 posted on 11/23/2005 3:48:49 AM PST by stevem
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18 years in prison for a crime you didn't commit is enough to leave anyone bitter, half deranged and thoroughly trained to think and act only as the criminal you were labeled.

So9

8 posted on 11/23/2005 4:05:10 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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Advocates for the falsely convicted face the uncomfortable consequences of success now that a man exonerated in a sexual assault has been charged with murder.

What's "uncomfortable" about it? In this country, we're supposed to imprison people for crimes they commit, not for crimes we think they might someday commit.

Now fry the bastard if he's guilty of murder and lets move on to the next one.

9 posted on 11/23/2005 4:07:09 AM PST by RogueIsland
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Reminds me of a story about two Club Gitmo releases who were found the other day making trouble again.


11 posted on 11/23/2005 4:10:54 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The Dems are willing to throw the game in Iraq, just to embarrass President Bush)
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Advocates for the falsely convicted face the uncomfortable consequences of success now that a man exonerated in a sexual assault has been charged with murder.

So we should leave the falsely convicted in prison because they might commit other crimes if they were out?

I'm not "uncomfortable" about releasing wrongly convicted prisoners. If they commit other crimes and get properly convicted, then they can do the time for those.

12 posted on 11/23/2005 4:16:48 AM PST by TheGhostOfTomPaine
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Here in IL, with the exception of Daley's convictions of the Ford Heights Four, and Daley's conviction of the Bible rapist, most convictions of the innocent occur when a prosecutor "frames" a loser with a record to improve the prosecutor's win-loss record and to give closure to the family of the victim and to the press who are clamoring for the police and prosecutor to "do something".

Rolando Cruz is the best example. He was a loser and pothead. But not a murderer. He was a frequent informant to States Attorney Jim Ryan and the county sheriff. It was in that role that the officials knew that he was innocent but also knew that they could frame him and get away with it because no jury would believe that loser, which was true.

Daley is the exception in that while he was Crook County States Attorney and Mayor-in-waiting he knowingly framed people who were not losers.

The above comments on the innocent who were convicted in IL is not to be confused with the convictions of the guilty that were overturned on technicalities. Both types of situations exist in IL. Those who get off on a technicality take advantage of the publicity given the truly innocent.


19 posted on 11/23/2005 5:12:07 AM PST by spintreebob
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Since he had a prior history of violence, makes you wonder how many people (and animals) were spared over his 18yrs in prison....including his daughter.


20 posted on 11/23/2005 5:15:13 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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The interaction between justice and fairness is a complex one. Human intuition rightly plays a large role not defined by statutes, laws and "those organizations"; like the mother who punishes a child "undeservedly" and announces that it is still "justice", for all the transgressions not detected.

The social contract accepts these imperfections as unavoidable, perhaps even necessary in an imperfect world, else "justice" would be dispensed today entirely by automation and computers. Why complicate things with human juries?

I continue insisting that the present system, with its imperfections, is tried and true, perfected over millenia. It is the best we can do.

I also insist that the only thing necessary to make the process "just" is our willingness to be dealt with by the same imperfect system.

"Those" organizations are an abomination, and a monkey wrench in the system. The justified "discomfort" that they might feel is infinitely tiny compared to the ghastly and permanent discomfort of the new victim that they themselves made possible.

27 posted on 11/23/2005 5:47:37 AM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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Look at the photo of that man- and his sister and daughter!
They have weirdo written all over them. I mean, why didn't the authorities somehow use this evidence to keep him in jail. It's a travesty!


30 posted on 11/23/2005 7:10:43 AM PST by Krankor (T)
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Has anyone thought of going back to the lab that tested the DNA? Or going to another lab for a second test on the original DNA material?

The FBI lab and the Houston Police Dept. lab are just two examples where major problems have been identified.


32 posted on 11/23/2005 8:06:57 AM PST by wildbill
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