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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Luckily, this wasn't guilt by association. This was guilt by actions.

You hounded another Freeper over words that have little or nothing to do with the argument at hand, as if those words, however inane they were, should discredit any further arguments said Freeper might engage. That is using the argument of guilt by association.

All heat, no light.
All hat, no cattle.

Meanwhile, I would like to know how science can be "agnostic" and still rule out either theistic or atheistic interpretations of the evidence. Also, how does the intelligent design explanation necessarily lead to a supernatural, or theistic conclusion?

The fact is, Western science has for the most part begun with the primary postulate that God-did-it, and from there inductively sought to make sense of things. That is why science is always uncovering patterns, organized matter, regular behavior and such. Only when we get to the quantum level does nature take on the appearance of gibberish, which begs the question as to how so much potential disorder can manifest itself through orderly processes.

To infer therefrom that an intelligent designer may be involved is hardly unreasonable or unscientific.

430 posted on 11/23/2005 6:00:26 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
The Stingy affair is over. Deal with it.

"Meanwhile, I would like to know how science can be "agnostic" and still rule out either theistic or atheistic interpretations of the evidence."

Because that is what agnostic means. :)

"Also, how does the intelligent design explanation necessarily lead to a supernatural, or theistic conclusion?"

Because the designer is alleged to have not used natural means to do His designing. That's why Behe, under oath, said that in order for ID to become a part of science, science would have to be expanded to include the supernatural.

"The fact is, Western science has for the most part begun with the primary postulate that God-did-it, and from there inductively sought to make sense of things."

No, science has been based on the assumption that the natural world works in a regular, law like manner, and that supernatural causes (saying God did it) are not valid in science. This does not mean they didn't believe in a God; they knew better than to presume THAT question was a scientific one.
445 posted on 11/23/2005 7:28:38 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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