Posted on 11/22/2005 12:44:07 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo
Oh, I did not realize it was your personal creation. I thought it was a kind of physics that was widely accepted at some point.
So, then I could say Chaos Theory is the basis for the Anarchists? String Theory the basis for Socialists? Game Theory the basis for women?
Here again, the bar of impossibility is set up. Science doesn't do that.
IMHO, mathematical theory explains so many of the mysteries of this world. Consider the argument of free will versus determination. (Similar to evolution versus ID?)
Someone recently suggested that maybe it is neither black or white. Our life might be a combination similar to intelligent agents as in agent-based simulation modeling. It is worth considering. Maybe God has an overall plan, but to make life worth living, he allows free will.
A totally deterministic world only encourages socialism and laziness.
Why? Assuming, arguendo, that humans are intelligent and design things, a test for intelligent design ought to be able to tell us that human-designed artifacts are the product of intelligent design.
Where there is organized matter, there is design.
In what sense are snowflakes and salt crystals "designed"?
Design is what separates the intelligible from the intelligible.
If we can understand something, it must have been designed? Why on earth should I believe that?
What emprical, objective, reliable test is there for your existence?
Solipsistic mazes are something you'll have to figure out on your own, I'm afraid - the problem doesn't interest me, because it never leads anywhere interesting.
Marvin Minsky. I like that theory.
Oh, it was. I just advanced the converse, the no-angles theory, like Calvert's 'no-design' theory. I think the analogy is pretty exact.
I've come to believe -- through reading these threads -- that this is one of the key issues facing the U.S. How it is decided will define the country far into the future.
Sure it does - it is impossible for you to exceed the speed of light in a vacuum. Of course, if you can show otherwise, fame and fortune is yours for the taking, but the "showing otherwise" part is your job, not mine.
Well, I guess that just settles it then. lol
You have any clue into that? My brain kinda shut down when I read it.
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No angles, eh? I like it already - physics should be a lot easier without all those damn vectors :)
That's nice, but Marx' ideas were formulated before Darwin published.
1848 Communist Manifesto
1859 Origin of Species
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/spencer-darwin.html
Dueling links. Herbert Spencer -- the forerunner of Ayn Rand -- was a devote capitalist.
Well, I guess that just settles it then. lol
You have any clue into that? My brain kinda shut down when I read it.
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As far as we know today, this is true. It may not always be the case. Besides, you say this not from experience and observation, but because you believe what others have told you.
I experienced this first hand when attempting to take a college level biology class back in the 80's. The professor's words were:
"For all present who have a pre-conceived notion that life began on earth though means other than evolution, I'm going to ask you to leave those notions outside this classroom."
Perhaps there was more to it that you've not told us, but from just what you have posted, it sounds as if he wasn't doing anything like what TN4Liberty was talking about.
It looks like the prof wasn't telling you that you "couldn't have" a particular belief, he was just asking the class to set aside their preconceptions and keep an open mind to the material that was going to be presented, and/or asking the class not to start a disruptive debate over religion, when biology is religion-neutral.
In short, "evaluate the material on its merits, not immediately reject it because it seems to contradict something you may already believe or not believe." That seems a fair request.
I have a friend who teaches college-level biology, and she has found the need to make a similar statement, just because she has learned that if she doesn't, anti-evolution students start to make a big fuss and disrupt the class with objections as soon as she reaches any "touchy" material in the course material.
To head off such confrontations and keep the peace in the class, she gives a little "speech" the first day which somewhat resembles the one you describe.
A spirited debate followed that reverberated all the way to the dean's office.
Did it really require that, or were you perhaps overreacting to a request to keep an open mind and not just dig your heels in over material you might be predisposed to reject upon its first mention?
Despite an aplogy and invitation from the dean himself to continue the class,
Sigh.
I declined, knowing there was no way I would get fair treatment and didn't wish to take the GPA hit.
Are you *sure* you actually understood the prof's meaning?
Again, perhaps there was more to it than you have mentioned here, but just from what you *have* mentioned it doesn't seem worth starting a war over, or concluding that the prof was going to vindictively penalize you in some way.
In the sense that they become manifest to human intelligence, and thus objects of science. More specifically, they consist of organized matter that behaves consistently under consistent physical laws. Consistency, intelligibility, non-randomness - these are all part of design.
If you want people to believe otherwise, the burden of proof is rightly yours.
Besides, you say this not from experience and observation, but because you believe what others have told you.
The results and the work that produced them are available for anyone to verify for themselves - nobody asks that science be taken on faith, least of all scientists.
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