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Those Defensive Darwinists
The Seattle Times ^ | 11/21/05 | Jonathon Witt

Posted on 11/22/2005 12:44:07 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo

THE first court trial over the theory of intelligent design is now over, with a ruling expected by the end of the year. What sparked the legal controversy? Before providing two weeks of training in modern evolutionary theory, the Dover, Pa., School District briefly informed students that if they wanted to learn about an alternative theory of biological origins, intelligent design, they could read a book about it in the school library.

In short order, the School District was dragged into court by a group insisting the school policy constituted an establishment of religion, this despite the fact that the unmentionable book bases its argument on strictly scientific evidence, without appealing to religious authority or attempting to identify the source of design.

The lawsuit is only the latest in a series of attempts to silence the growing controversy over contemporary Darwinian theory.

For instance, after The New York Times ran a series on Darwinism and design recently, prominent Darwinist Web sites excoriated the newspaper for even covering intelligent design, insulting its proponents with terms like Medievalist, Flat-Earther and "American Taliban."

University of Minnesota biologist P.Z. Myers argues that Darwinists should take an even harder line against their opponents: "Our only problem is that we aren't martial enough, or vigorous enough, or loud enough, or angry enough," he wrote. "The only appropriate responses should involve some form of righteous fury, much butt-kicking, and the public firing and humiliation of some teachers, many school board members, and vast numbers of sleazy far-right politicians."

This month, NPR reported on behavior seemingly right out of the P.Z. Myers playbook.

The most prominent victim in the story was Richard Sternberg, a scientist with two Ph.D.s in evolutionary biology and former editor of a journal published out of the Smithsonian's Museum of Natural History. He sent out for peer review, then published, a paper arguing that intelligent design was the best explanation for the geologically sudden appearance of new animal forms 530 million years ago.

The U.S. Office of Special Counsel reported that Sternberg's colleagues immediately went on the attack, stripping Sternberg of his master key and access to research materials, spreading rumors that he wasn't really a scientist and, after determining that they didn't want to make a martyr out of him by firing him, deliberately creating a hostile work environment in the hope of driving him from the Smithsonian.

The NPR story appalled even die-hard skeptics of intelligent design, people like heavyweight blogger and law professor Glenn Reynolds, who referred to the Smithsonian's tactics as "scientific McCarthyism."

Also this month, the Kansas Board of Education adopted a policy to teach students the strengths and weaknesses of modern evolutionary theory. Darwinists responded by insisting that there are no weaknesses, that it's a plot to establish a national theocracy — despite the fact that the weaknesses that will be taught come right out of the peer-reviewed, mainstream scientific literature.

One cause for their insecurity may be the theory's largely metaphysical foundations. As evolutionary biologist A.S. Wilkins conceded, "Evolution would appear to be the indispensable unifying idea and, at the same time, a highly superfluous one."

And in the September issue of The Scientist, National Academy of Sciences member Philip Skell argued that his extensive investigations into the matter corroborated Wilkins' view. Biologist Roland Hirsch, a program manager in the U.S. Office of Biological and Environmental Research, goes even further, noting that Darwinism has made a series of incorrect predictions, later refashioning the paradigm to fit the results.

How different from scientific models that lead to things like microprocessors and satellites. Modern evolutionary theory is less a cornerstone and more the busybody aunt — into everyone's business and, all the while, very much insecure about her place in the home.

Moreover, a growing list of some 450 Ph.D. scientists are openly skeptical of Darwin's theory, and a recent poll by the Louis Finkelstein Institute found that only 40 percent of medical doctors accept Darwinism's idea that humans evolved strictly through unguided, material processes.

Increasingly, the Darwinists' response is to try to shut down debate, but their attempts are as ineffectual as they are misguided. When leaders in Colonial America attempted to ban certain books, people rushed out to buy them. It's the "Banned in Boston" syndrome.

Today, suppression of dissent remains the tactic least likely to succeed in the United States. The more the Darwinists try to prohibit discussion of intelligent design, the more they pique the curiosity of students, parents and the general public.


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KEYWORDS: darwin; evolutionism; intelligentdesign
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To: Stingy Dog
"Why I post it? Because I'm of the belief that we, as American citizens, have a right to hear and to be heard. A free and open exchange of views and opinion is the way to the truth."

You just said you never heard of it. Tip: when you lie, try to be consistent. You said on an earlier thread that you had posted it because,

"I had just posted today trying to start a small, but concise, homepage, to let everyone know a little about me and my ideology, beliefs."

Why would you post something on your homepage you didn't believe? You are sinking deeper and deeper.
321 posted on 11/22/2005 8:28:27 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: vpintheak
Trying to make the Bible match up with evolution is without a doubt, not preaching the Bible.

I am going have to agree with this, in a literal sense. In a non-literal sense, I have to say that anybody who says "either the Bible, or evolution; both can't be right" is not preaching the Bible either. Before you ask, I have read the Bible several times, cover to cover.

322 posted on 11/22/2005 8:29:19 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

You just said you never heard of it. Tip: when you lie, try to be consistent. You said on an earlier thread that you had posted it because,

CG, look at the post he replied to. He's referring to another quote, not the one he's trying to weasel and lie his way out of associating himself with.

323 posted on 11/22/2005 8:31:22 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: ml1954

"CG, look at the post he replied to. He's referring to another quote, not the one he's trying to weasel and lie his way out of associating himself with."

He knows what I'm talking about. That's why he admitted to posting it, with that crap about supporting free expression.


324 posted on 11/22/2005 8:33:09 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Agnostic means "do not know." If one "does not know," then one cannot rule it out. Understand?


325 posted on 11/22/2005 8:33:51 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Stingy Dog
Darwinists are, like dynosaurs, on their way to extinction.

If you are talking about dinosaurs, they are not "on their way to extinction", they are already extinct.

If you are talking about the dyna-soar, it is not "on it's way to extinction" either, it was merely canceled.

327 posted on 11/22/2005 8:34:25 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Stingy Dog
As I've said before, I have never propagated any quotes from Sam Frances. I don't even know who the man is, nor the quote you're talking about. Which quote are you talking about? Can you post it here? Btw, my profile page is empty.

By your own words do I damn thee.

You must know who Sam Francis is, because I have already told you. This was only three days ago. The fact that you didn't blink an eyelash at a Sam Francis article posted on David Duke.com speaks volumes to me.

328 posted on 11/22/2005 8:35:47 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
I have a library key. I'm not a librarian. As for wasting his time there, yes, I'm sure he was.

Funny thing the Smithsonian thought so only after the Meyer incident. I bet you also have a car key and are not a valet.

329 posted on 11/22/2005 8:36:16 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Stingy Dog
Here's some more evidence you knew darn well what quote I was talking about. When I confronted you with it on a different thread, you said,

"Some questions are best answered face-to-face. You know that and I know that. This is not the venue to answer your question, so ask no more."

"Since I did not fully agreed with the quote, I decided to remove it."

Why did you pretend just now to not know about the quote?

For those who missed it, this is what was on Stingy's homepage:

"Breaking down the sexual barriers between the races is a major weapon of cultural destruction because it means the dissolution of the cultural boundaries that define breeding and the family and, ultimately, the transmission and survival of the culture itself."
330 posted on 11/22/2005 8:36:36 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Liberal Classic; Stingy Dog; CarolinaGuitarman; Ichneumon; 2ndreconmarine
Science, Science, where is the Science from the great minds cult of cosmo-evo evo-cosmo cult of the flying spaghetti monster?

What I want to know.. is where is all of the science? I keep getting accused of never addressing the science from the 'scientists'. But I never see any science, but they insist that its there.

All I see here is a lot of attacking dog for some obscure quote, and his mistyping.

It looks to me that all the great scientific minds of cosmo-evo evo-cosmo cult of the flying spaghetti monster can produce is a lot of poop. 2ndreconmarine said it best when he so proudly listed off Horse poop: 929 citations. Guitarman approx 150 posts later and still no science.

Baby, I don't know what you guys think your making a case for, but sho' ain't for science in the case for evo-occultism.. or then.., maybe it is.

Okay you dont want to do science, we wont do science. Keep posting galoots. Like I said, the best case against the cult of cosmo-evo evo-cosmo cult of the flying spaghetti monster are its products.. Right here baby, right here on the FR!!

Wolf
331 posted on 11/22/2005 8:36:52 PM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Stingy Dog

"But must warn you not to waste your time, as I never posted that quote."

Are you saying you never posted on your homepage,

"Breaking down the sexual barriers between the races is a major weapon of cultural destruction because it means the dissolution of the cultural boundaries that define breeding and the family and, ultimately, the transmission and survival of the culture itself."

?????

We all saw it. You have only two choices, explain it or retreat.


333 posted on 11/22/2005 8:38:51 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Stingy Dog
I was looking for a link to me posting that same quotation. I never posted that quotation.

I know it can be difficult finding a particular post by a particular poster. So, take your time and research it, and when you find that quote posted by me, please post the link here for all to see.

But must warn you not to waste your time, as I never posted that quote.

You must have posted it into your profile page.

Or did David Duke log on to your account and do it for you?

334 posted on 11/22/2005 8:39:04 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Stingy Dog
"Posting that quote, seems to me, is way off topic on these crevo threads.

About staying on topic instead of regurgitating the same quote? "

We keep repeating it because you said posted it on your homepage and won't say why. Now you are saying you didn't even post it. Why are you lying?
336 posted on 11/22/2005 8:40:18 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Stingy Dog

I never posted that quotation.

You had it on your profile page. I saw it. Others saw it and copied it into a reply to one of your posts.

Now you are trying to disassociate your self from it by saying 'I never posted that quotation'. You are being dishonest. And you try to preach Christianity to others and condemn them. You are a hypocrite.

337 posted on 11/22/2005 8:40:44 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: RunningWolf

This is not some obscure author. Sam Francis crap is not allowed here. Period.


339 posted on 11/22/2005 8:41:34 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: RunningWolf
"Science, Science, where is the Science from the great minds cult of cosmo-evo evo-cosmo cult of the flying spaghetti monster?"

Show us ONE post you have ever made that has addressed the science of evolution. Put up or shut up.

"Guitarman approx 150 posts later and still no science."

I have too busy exposing the racism and lies of creationists on this thread. Where have you been condemning the quote that was on Stingy's homepage?
340 posted on 11/22/2005 8:43:05 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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