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Mark Steyn: Send in the clones (Will Canada go cloning to "avert" demographic disaster?)
Western Standard (Canada) ^ | November 28, 2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 11/21/2005 7:56:08 PM PST by NZerFromHK

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Unbelievable for now, but I don't think Canadians will wake up to the ethical dimension of this. From what I see the politicians will opt for this route, and after a period of murmuring a majority of Canadians will just shrug their shoulders and join the cloning enterprise.
1 posted on 11/21/2005 7:56:11 PM PST by NZerFromHK
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To: Clive; NYer; nmh; Quix; Fair Go; Aussie Dasher; Fred Nerks; NorthOf45; goldstategop

Ping!


2 posted on 11/21/2005 8:00:01 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: NZerFromHK

In a two child family society, there is no one to look after grandma (therein lies, I think, the fundamental idiocy of libertarianism which thinks you can have a small government without a traditional religious culture creating big families that can nurture each other through sickness and old age). No one to visit her, no one to clean her diapers. Robotics is about that too.

Indeed, in a small family culture it is easy to end up lonely. To become the single woman at 45 alone with her cat, etc.


3 posted on 11/21/2005 8:20:03 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: NZerFromHK
No matter the egalitarian morality involved, the progressivist socialist state will be a nightmare for everyone but the most corrupt.

Nietzsche's warning about the death of God leading to the death of humanity is very real. Only the Last Men find such a future worth living.

4 posted on 11/21/2005 8:20:55 PM PST by Reactionary
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Cloned Canadians ~ now that's a nightmare!


5 posted on 11/21/2005 8:32:43 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: NZerFromHK

There IS another potential solution for countries with birth rates below 2 per female: Convert the nation to the LSD church (Mormanism) and use modern science to change the basic sex ratio from the normal 1 - 1 to something like 1 - 8 or 1 - 10. At that rate, 1.2 or 1.3 children per female would be more than enough to replenish the population.


6 posted on 11/21/2005 8:44:27 PM PST by gungafox
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To: NZerFromHK

"That would seem to be in defiance of what we used quaintly to call "the facts of life." But who cares about biology? As Hester Lessard, the eminently eminent law professor at the University of Victoria, has argued, "biological" concepts of parenthood are "an increasingly fictional creation narrative" that "legitimates a heterosexual view of the family." And we wouldn't want that, would we? Which is why earlier this year the Province of Ontario passed Bill 171 abolishing the ords "husband," "wife," "widow," "widower," "man" and "woman" from its laws--and not just the words but the very concept of gender."

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Tomorrow's Brave New World. Insanity!
Government and Courts ABOLISH WORDS, THE VERY CONCEPTS?





7 posted on 11/21/2005 8:56:26 PM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: NZerFromHK
Cloning is nothing... in another 100+ years it would be possible to write a genome de novo- and thus one would be able not merely to duplicate oneself, but to order something much better [say, a child with Michelangelo's genius]. The fun will start then. A society with superabundance of such giants, if it is managed properly, might be able to progress beyond our wildest dreams.
8 posted on 11/21/2005 9:02:31 PM PST by GSlob
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To: NZerFromHK

bttt


9 posted on 11/21/2005 9:27:35 PM PST by knews_hound (i know my typing sucks, i do it one handed ! (caps are especially tough))
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Weaning their pampered populations off the good life and re-teaching them the lost biological impulse or giving some local entrepreneur the licence to create a new subordinate worker class?

Chimps, gorillas and orangutans, genetically engineered to make them smart enough to understand commands. Especially the word, "No!"

They'll protect us from the clones, too.

10 posted on 11/21/2005 9:36:29 PM PST by irv
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And, naturally, since each man would be required to provide such prodigious... service... along these lines, the women would have to be chosen for their sexual characteristics which would have to be of a high stimulating nature.


11 posted on 11/21/2005 9:46:25 PM PST by furquhart (Gingrich '08)
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If I made a clone of myself, I wouldn't have my clone do mundane things, like rake the leaves, or wash my (our?) car. Instead- I'd fight my clones to the death, and the strongest and wiliest of us would become me.

Who can say I haven't done this already?
Hmm?


12 posted on 11/21/2005 9:59:52 PM PST by emiller
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13 posted on 11/21/2005 10:07:48 PM PST by Yossarian (The media is now simply running a 24/7 soap opera with Dubya cast as the arch villain.)
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Damn. Beat me to it.


14 posted on 11/21/2005 11:04:23 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Yossarian


We must not allow a mine shaft gap!
15 posted on 11/21/2005 11:06:13 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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"A society with superabundance of such giants, if it is managed properly, might be able to progress beyond our wildest dreams"

might as well mass suicide now then.......how do you manage a michael angelo?...Jefferson...Churchill...Mozart...ummm, Muhammed Ali?....can't micro-manage Genius.


16 posted on 11/21/2005 11:17:54 PM PST by kajingawd (" happy with stone underhead, let Heaven and Earth go about their changes")
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"Not just billionaire kooks, but also the likes of Barrie and Tony, a couple from Chelmsford in southern England. They'd been trying for a baby for some time, but nothing seemed to work. Then it occurred to them this might be because they're both men."

LOL


17 posted on 11/21/2005 11:44:36 PM PST by DHerion
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To: NZerFromHK

Transhumanism (what Steyn refers to as GRIN) should be embraced, not shunned. I do not think we're going to grow worker-clones in a laboratory to support an aging populace.

Steyn's argument is akin to saying that medical technology should never have progressed pass the 40s, because who knows what maliciousness will come of it?


18 posted on 11/21/2005 11:50:01 PM PST by Sirloin
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ping


19 posted on 11/21/2005 11:57:30 PM PST by Brian Allen (Patriotic, Immigrant & therefore Hyphenated-AMERICAN-American & Aviator by choice. Christian byGrace)
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To: gungafox
Convert the nation to the LSD church (Mormanism)

Sounds like you did too much LDS as a youngster.

20 posted on 11/21/2005 11:58:38 PM PST by thecabal ("Now die monkeys and stop saying Muslims are terrorists,we are peaceful people!")
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