Posted on 11/21/2005 5:34:36 AM PST by 12B
Breaking on Bloomberg and Reuters. GM will cut 30,000 jobs in massive restructuring. More....
>Union folks need to, at some point, realize, it is to your
>own peril to steal a company from it's owner.
It's like the tragedy of Anankin Skywalker: He tried to hold on too tightly ... and lost everything.
You do that in UAW country, you can expect a squad of union goons over to "reeducate" you.
Same sort of stuff I saw during the next-to-most-recent UPS/Teamsters strike.
Gee, I think I'll Google "union conservatives" and see how many hits I get. Any predictions?
Those with kids in public high schools also know of their need for caution in expressing conservative or Republican or (Heaven forbid) religious viewpoints at school. It's really pathetic that edu-goons can and do knock kids' grades down for it. Unionists reading this -- I dare you to have your kid(s) verbally support Republicans in each class tomorrow.
This whole union issue is deep, wide and looooooong overdue for some reality checking. It's hurting America.
I think I'd ace the exam - how about you? Dean's List college student (well, a few years back anyhow).
I arrived at the shipping dock and started to unload my van with the various components I was to install. I was immediately stopped by a UAW dockworker who informed me that I could not unload my vehicle because I was taking work away from a union worker...
Bad comedy.
Ugh. One does not have to be a socialist, marxist, whatever, to believe this is sinful. I remember reading a book years ago by a good Christian man about all the land in Columbia and South America that is used for coffee beans. The people there starve and can't even eat because nobody wants to grow food - it's not a cash crop the way coffee is.... another good example would be drugs. There is a lot of money to make on this so why would anyone allow the land to be used for farming when the drugs will make so much more - though it will place people in horrible poverty. I don't have the answers to all these things but I think it IS sinful. Look, I have no problem with Bill Gates making his billions - he worked hard and took risks. But at some point, he has to look at himself and think about how much he really needs. Once you get to a certain point, you could never, ever even spend it so why would you want to be so selfish with it? I don't get it. The Bible says "to whom much is given, much is required." I live by that.
The very best thing for GM would be bankruptcy. It'd suck to be stockholder or retiree (depending on how the courts divvied up the corpse) but a leaner, better-financed company could spring from the grave of the old corpse. It's time to stop bailing out the losers and let the winners take the field.
"union conservatives" 5,310 hits
"union liberals" 1,260 hits
This is not meant to be an exhaustive list of what companies do to their employees that is unChristian:
1. Fire and downsize older people that are performing well becaue they don't want to pay the pension.
2. Single out certain people for their Christian beliefs - had a friend disciplined at work for saying "Praise the Lord" but the gal next to her who uttered profanity constantly didn't get any reprimand.
3. Pay million dollar bonuses at the same time they cut people's jobs, benefits and so on. I understand companies having to make cuts but you know yourself... if you had to pull in the belt at home and told your spouse to cut up the credit cards and you couldn't eat out once a week anymore and the kids were going to have to go to the 2nd hand store (no more news stuff) but you then went out and bought a brand new "insert your 75K sport car here," do you think that might be considered sinful (or selfish?)
4. Cutting employees but requiring the "left-behinds" to pick up the slack and do the work of two or more people and not compensating them fairly. This has personally happened to me on two occasions. It is happening to a lady I work with right now.
5. Double standards - one employee is disciplined for tardiness but the one right next to him is not.
6. Lying
7. Lying (Enron)
8. Letting an employee go out and buy a brand new "insert item here" knowing you are going to axe him in two weeks.
9. Lying
I've observed a lot of lying by management over the years. I have never lied at a job interview yet but someone I know who is in upper management at a huge company (and they just got bigger the other day), told me to lie in the interview because they always lie. What do you think about that? Pretty unchristian, huh?
I am sure there are so many worse things companies do - and by companies what I really mean is people. People are by nature sinful and in need of a savior and so they will do all these bad things. Since companies are made up of these sinful beings, they are going to do many unChristian things. Are you going to deny that now?
By the way, I sent you a little thumbnail of unchristian things companies do and I shouldn't have said "a lot," I should've said "all." They all do unchristian things. All of them - All - even the church, which is not a company, does unchristian things.
OUR PANTY WASTE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY WHO REFUSE TO DRILL FOR F-ING OIL ANYHWERE IN THE US.
WEll I can't argue with something you've observed personally. I do know one thing. The individuals that I know do not get overtime until they've worked 40 hours. Just because the system isn't always operating properly doesn't mean we should crucify people.
I notice a lot of crucifying on this site. I first visited FR in 1999 because someone told me it was a great forum for conservative people, patriotic people, people who love our country and its way of life. I got addicted after September 11th because I was so "news" starved at my office - no radio, nothing.
I love FR and a lot of the people on here but I do seem to see a lot of behavior (like knocking blue collar workers) that smacks of elitism which is what we hate so much about the Left. I really hate seeing it on here because I like to think we're better than THEM.
Yeah, I saw that, too. Interesting to note, though, the number of foreign political partis like Lithuaniia's Fatherland Union/Conservatives, and the hits for anti-union conservatives, Soviet union conservatives, etc. that came up.
How about links to conservative factions within the UAW, AFL/CIO, Teamsters and NEA?
Anybody?
http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_delphi_ceo_im/
"Delphi pays more than $60 an hour in wages and benefits, the same that GM, Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler Group pay their UAW laborers under the collective bargaining agreement."
It appears I was a little low. That's $124,000 with no overtime. I'll say more strongly, the UAW is greedy and they're taking down a lot of companies. I live in Michigan. There's not a high cost of living here.
The issue is not "high level of pay." That is very vague. Like I said to another poster on here - make an analogy to your home life.
You are the CEO of your house. Your spouse and your kids are your employees (don't you wish?) Anyway, you are having financial troubles so you tell the spouse and kids to cut back - no more brand-name food (generic only), no evenings dining out, no cable tv, no cell phones, cut up the credit cards, etc. but then a few months later you go out and buy yourself a 75K "insert fantasy sports car name here." That would be so wrong. Why can people see it on THIS level but not on the corporate level. It's like we don't want to admit that there IS a point where we have to just realize it's ridiculous. I'd be ashamed to be a billionaire and not give a lot away. I know Gates does a lot of philanthropic stuff but I can tell you from personal experience that I did some consulting work for a financial planner about 10 years ago. His clients were only the very wealthiest in the city in which I live. He even joked that he'd normally never do my financial plan since I was not at the level he wanted to work with (but he knew me). Anyway, I got to see these folks' net work, the tax returns, everything - doctors, lawyers, business owners - millions of dollars in income.... guess what I found out... they gave so little to charity it was scary - nothing to the church, the hungry, etc. My husband and I gave so much compared to these people and for us it was a sacrifice - for them it would mean one less pair of Manolo Blahnik shoes here and there.
You, my friend, need the learning and maybe if you read the Bible instead of Ayn Rand, you'd get it right (but probably not because you are obviously one of those people who could never humble themselves enough to do that and it isn't something you can show off on the coffee table so you look smart.
Sorry pardner. I hate Moore and that's why I get mad when I see this elitist blue-collar bashing crap on FR.
Nobody said you can't make money! I don't even think it's wrong to make lots of money - just that the huge disparity between the execs and the workers now is beyond anything anyone would have ever imagined.... I'm not the only one who recognizes this you know and you don't have to be a dem or a liberal to think this way. I'm very conservative and that's why I started coming on here. However, I don't think everything said on here is true or right or nice.
I would add that it appears everyone at all levels of the company is greedy, trying to make sure they get the best parachute when the whole thing crashes. But the union's certainly not exempt from that attitude.
They interviewed a woman on TV who is losing her job...she said she was 24 years old and she earns as much as her parents...to quote "Where will I ever get another job like that." (I KID YOU NOT).
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