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GM to cut 30,000 jobs
Reuters, Bloomberg | 21 Nov, 2005 | Self

Posted on 11/21/2005 5:34:36 AM PST by 12B

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To: KS Flyover
``If they're not selling the cars, I don't know how they can keep running the plants,'' said Al Benchich, president of United Auto Workers Local 909 at a GM transmission factory in Warren, Michigan. ``The UAW has acknowledged that GM doesn't have the market share to support its current structure.''

So we can expect the UAW to accept wage & benefit cuts ? {crickets}

21 posted on 11/21/2005 5:54:31 AM PST by csvset
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To: 12B

GM's troubles are top-to-bottom. Those that have been taking what they can, while they can, abound throughout the organization, from board member to sweeper. And most all of them know it. Their suppliers have been seeing it for a long time, and aren't surprised, just preparing to hurt worse now that the fan is spewing solids. Sad for America. Caused by Americans.


22 posted on 11/21/2005 5:54:33 AM PST by polymuser (I wish the Republicans had a majority in Congress.)
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To: 12B
Nice to see that DRUDGE is PC - the leading story on his page is:

Happy Holidays: GM to Cut 30,000 Jobs, Close 9 Plants
23 posted on 11/21/2005 5:54:38 AM PST by Pro-Bush (Politics and crime...They are the same thing!)
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To: 12B

I smell a new Michael Moore movie in the works: "Rick and Me."


24 posted on 11/21/2005 5:55:17 AM PST by Altair333 (Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
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To: duckman
I don't say this lightly because I know we are talking about people's lives, but with the explosion of health care costs, it's not price gouging either, the unions should of realized long ago that things would have to change. Instead they continued to demand the same old things in their contracts. Within the last few months, they decided that retirees should pay SOMETHING for their continued health care benefits after retiring. DUH!

The real truth is, and someone already mentioned it, GM is no longer a publicly traded company in any real sense. Yes you can certainly but the stock, but the unions now own GM because of the contracts they negotiated over several decades. You never get something for nothing, and the bill has finally come due.
25 posted on 11/21/2005 5:57:43 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: nralife
Aanyone heard if the Arlington TX plant will be shut down?

Announced on WBAP (Dallas/Fort Worth) that GM will not be closing Arlington, their most product plant.

26 posted on 11/21/2005 5:57:44 AM PST by pikachu (That which does not kill me just makes me grumpy!)
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To: Dallas59

The French just look at it as creating a demand.


27 posted on 11/21/2005 5:58:24 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: duckman

Some idiots at the IBM plant I work in want to bring in a union. What are these people smoking?

Our plant is 40 years old and just about obsolete and they think they are going to push IBM around. Duhhhh.


28 posted on 11/21/2005 5:59:09 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (John 6: 31-69)
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To: 12B

No surprise here. I'd be interested to see how this 30,000 breaks down in terms of union vs. middle management, etc. I suspect that a lot of their union contracts are such that it's harder to lay off an assembly line worker than a mid-level manager.


30 posted on 11/21/2005 6:01:06 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: hubbubhubbub
They do need better cars.

You summed it up nicely and succinctly. It's not about unions or pensions, "it's the cars, stupid."

31 posted on 11/21/2005 6:01:07 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: hubbubhubbub

They should also fire 99.9% of the marketing people....Buick's big new model for 2006 is the "Lucerne".whatever the hell that means..actually, it means NOTHING..and whoever came up with it should walk the plank....remember the Buick ROADMASTER?


32 posted on 11/21/2005 6:02:54 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: Straight Vermonter
In a global economy, the union model should of changed decades ago, but they dug their heels in, and now we see what their intransigence hath wrought.
33 posted on 11/21/2005 6:02:54 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: pikachu
According to this article from CNN Money,

"The plants being closed include Oklahoma City, and the Lansing, Mich., Craft Centre in 2006, and Doraville, Ga., in 2008. In addition, some shifts will be eliminated at three other assembly plants."

34 posted on 11/21/2005 6:03:34 AM PST by seacapn
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To: 12B

These stories always put me in a pickle. I'm saddened that 30K Americans will lose jobs because their families will still need food and shelter. On the other hand, any time the UAW or any other union loses membership, it means fewer Dem workers and $$$.


35 posted on 11/21/2005 6:04:14 AM PST by hispanichoosier
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To: ken5050
"Lucerne".whatever the hell that means

It's a city on a lake in Switzerland famous for a old wooden bridge that partially burned.

36 posted on 11/21/2005 6:07:12 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: hispanichoosier
If recent trends are any indication, I'm predicting that many of these assembly-line workers are going to end up working for a Japanese manufacturer within the next five years -- maybe even at the same GM plant where they worked before.

This is more likely to be the case in places like Georgia and Oklahoma, since Japanese auto companies have an understandable aversion to doing business in places like Michigan.

37 posted on 11/21/2005 6:07:49 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: pikachu

"Announced on WBAP (Dallas/Fort Worth) that GM will not be closing Arlington, their most product plant.



Thanks. I have quite a number of friends who work there. The plant has gone through a lot of modernizing the last few years. That probably saved it.


38 posted on 11/21/2005 6:08:02 AM PST by nralife
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To: palmer
LOL. Was that the famous "Smoke on the Water" incident from the Deep Purple song?

I know Luzerne is a county in Pennsylvania, and Lucerne is a milk brand somewhere. But I don't know how you get a name brand for a car out of that.

39 posted on 11/21/2005 6:09:33 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: Alberta's Child

The GM plants are mostly outdated...and not at all suited for modern manufacturing methods..and GM is gonna have huge $$$ environmental clean-up costs from these closings...like BILLIONS more..


40 posted on 11/21/2005 6:09:55 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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