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"If this is a scientific theory, it must be open to scientific criticism," he said. "What I'm criticizing is a kind of strategy to immunize it, as if it were an offence to Darwin's dignity to say there are some issues this theory can't explain.

"There's a kind of ban on discussing this and critics of the evolution theory are discredited or discriminated against from the start," he said.

Pretty much nails it.

1 posted on 11/20/2005 5:32:29 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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"If this is a scientific theory, it must be open to scientific criticism," he said. "What I'm criticizing is a kind of strategy to immunize it, as if it were an offence to Darwin's dignity to say there are some issues this theory can't explain.

"There's a kind of ban on discussing this and critics of the evolution theory are discredited or discriminated against from the start," he said.

Evolutionism, as the Cardinal cites, is dogma, not science. Essentially, what we have in the scientific community is a binding article of faith, doubts notwithstanding. "If anyone denies the progression from goo to zoo to you, let him be anathama!"

2 posted on 11/20/2005 5:41:25 PM PST by Lexinom
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"Can we reasonably say the origin of man and life can only be explained by material causes?" he asked. "Can matter create intelligence? That is a question we can't answer scientifically, because the scientific method cannot grasp it."


3 posted on 11/20/2005 5:49:13 PM PST by victim soul
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What has amazed me the most about this topic, is that everyone
on the Darwinian side of this can not concede an inch to a creator.
But we are supposed to be open minded enough to see their side of the argument.

Typical libs...agree with me, but I'll never agree with you


4 posted on 11/20/2005 5:58:33 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()......Politically incorrect by Intelligent Design........()
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Just read Hebrews 11:3


5 posted on 11/20/2005 6:05:53 PM PST by buffyt (America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
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Our resident science PHDs will be here to debunk all the religion nonsense.


8 posted on 11/20/2005 6:35:44 PM PST by cynicom
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To: Chi-townChief; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...

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9 posted on 11/20/2005 6:38:19 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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Evolution is in trouble when they are reduced to praising "Fast" Eddie Rendell, Gov of PA and Kathleen Sibelius of KS and that hardly reputable magazine Newsweek, right here on Free Republic.

Tonight is the first time I ever saw the adoring praises of Newsweek for anything right here on FR.
11 posted on 11/20/2005 6:54:57 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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"Vienna cardinal..."


WTF?


First: Cardinal ought to be capitalized when referring to a specific man.

Second: He is either a Viennese Cardinal (any cardinal originally descendant from the people of Vienna), or more likely he is the Cardinal of Vienna. "Vienna Cardinal" is a nonsensical pairing of two nouns.


15 posted on 11/20/2005 8:47:59 PM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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Nevermind. It's Reuters. [spit]


16 posted on 11/20/2005 8:48:40 PM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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"Common sense tells us that matter cannot organize itself," he said. "It needs information to do that, and information is a manifestation of intelligence."

As with so many things from relativity to quantum theory, common sense is wrong.

17 posted on 11/20/2005 8:51:04 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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SCHÖNBORN, O.P., Christoph (1945-

Birth. January 22, 1945, Skalsko, diocese of Litomerice, Bohemia, Czechoslovakia. Son of Maria Hugo Damian Adalbert Josef Hubertus von Schönborn and Eleonore von Doblhoff. His baptismal name is Christoph Maria Michael Hugo Damian Peter Adalbert. His family moved to Austria in September 1945. Besides his native German, he speaks English, French and Italian.

Education. Joined Order of Preachers, 1963. Dominican houses of studies in Walberberg, Bonn, Germany; Le Saulchoir, Paris (doctorate in theology). "École Practique de Hautes Études", La Sorbonne University, Paris; "Institute Catholique", Paris.

Priesthood. Ordained, December 27, 1970, Vienna, by Cardinal Franz König, archbishop of Vienna. Further studies, 1970-1974. Chaplain to university students, Graz, Austria, 1973-1975. Faculty member, University of Fribourg, Switzerland, 1976-1991. Member of International Theological Commission, 1980-1991; of Foundation "Pro Oriente", 1984-1991. Attended II Extraordinary Assembly of the World Synod of Bishops, Vatican City, November 24-December 8, 1985; assistant to special secretary. Faculty member, Superior Philosophical School of Cisterciense Abbey of Heiligenkreuz, Vienna, Austria. Secretary of the commission of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to edit the new Catechism of the Catholic Church (1987-1992).

Episcopate. Elected titular bishop of Sutri and appointed auxiliary of Vienna, July 11, 1991. Consecrated, September 29, 1991, Vienna, by Cardinal Hans Hermann Groër, O.S.B., archbishop of Vienna. Promoted to archbishop coadjutor with right of succession of Vienna, April 13, 1995. Succeeded to metropolitan see of Vienna, September 14, 1995.

Cardinalate. Created cardinal priest in the consistory of February 21, 1998; received the red biretta and the title of Gesù Divin Lavoratore, February 23, 1998. President of Austrian Episcopal Conference, 1998-. Attended II Special Assembly for Europe of the World Synod of Bishops, Vatican City, October 1 to 23, 1999. Participated in the conclave of April 18 to 19, 2005.

Links. Photo, arms and biography, in German; and genealogy, 8a, 2g.

18 posted on 11/20/2005 9:44:49 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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"What I would like is to see in schools is a critical and open spirit, in a positive sense, so we don't make a dogma out of the theory of evolution but we say it is a theory that has a lot going for it but has no answers for some questions."

He questioned neo-Darwinism, the scientifically updated version of Darwin's thesis first published in 1859, and its argument that natural selection -- the so-called "survival of the fittest" -- created life out of matter randomly.

"Can we reasonably say the origin of man and life can only be explained by material causes?" he asked. "Can matter create intelligence? That is a question we can't answer scientifically, because the scientific method cannot grasp it."

"Common sense tells us that matter cannot organize itself," he said. "It needs information to do that, and information is a manifestation of intelligence."

A reasonable man. He must be stopped.

22 posted on 11/21/2005 4:44:59 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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"Can matter create intelligence?

Good Question.

25 posted on 11/21/2005 6:18:37 AM PST by TradicalRC (Searching Free Republic with lantern aloft for an answer...)
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"The biblical teaching about creation is not a scientific theory," he said, restating a Catholic view that contrasts with the literal reading of some conservative U.S. Protestants opposed to Darwin. "Christian teaching about creation is not an alternative to evolution."

Bump

32 posted on 11/21/2005 7:21:56 AM PST by A. Pole (CEO of CISCO: "What we're trying to do is outline an entire strategy of becoming a Chinese company.")
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Darwinists Impose Gag Rule on Science

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=2194


43 posted on 11/23/2005 10:35:08 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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