Posted on 11/20/2005 12:51:07 PM PST by Icelander
and a foreign born should never become the President of the USA. No, not even Arnold.
'subject to the jurisdiction' is the critical phrase. So long as illegals are getting gov't assistance of any kind, they are subject to the jurisdiction.
Interesting debate, and I can see the argument that with modern transportation systems and medicine, being born in a particular place is not as meaningful as 50 or 100 years ago. 75 years ago one did not just happen to be born someplace while your 8 month pregnant mom was visiting.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."
Senator Jacob Howard,
co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters4608
Visiting? More like searching for a green card.
It doesn't require a constitutional amendment. It just requires the courts to apply the 14th amendment as written.
Could it be that congressional Republicans are finally growing a spine after being patsies all this time??
ping
BTTT
The same courts that hold the McCain-Feingold Act to be constitutional and any reference to God or the Ten Commandments to be unconstitutional? Fat chance o' that.
That's to the good. There was another opinion by one of the co-authors of the 14th that allowed the corporation to be interpreted as a person, and that was in spite of nothing in the minutes that implied such an interpretation. Many will not accept the words from the horse's mouth, but only what actually appeared in the Amendment.
The SCOTUS won'y apply almost any part of the Constitution as it is written, why should the 14th Amendment be he exception?
wow!
I hope this isn't just for face time but is real (but I'm skeptical)
I know, I have to suppress my enthusiasm every time I hear a smidgeon of good news. It's all part of their plan to make us think they are actually doing something.
Visiting? More like searching for a green card.
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Despite your parocial views, a reason to change US policy is not some issue that just affects a small part of the country. Your view might be some of it. Another issue is that we have had terrorist in Gitmo who only have US citizenship becaue they were born here when their parents were on student visa. That was not looking for a green card, but rather a complication in our national defense and gives intrusive federal judges a chance to get involved du to a technicality.
Despite the anti-Mexican faction on here, all us policy is not going to be run on that single issue.
and a foreign born should never become the President of the USA. No, not even Arnold.
Exactly !!
that's what I do think....how sad, no?
This is just more window dressing.
Instead of this they should just secure the borders so nobody can come in.
Even if the kid doesn't get citizenship, nobody is going to go house to house, ask for papers and drag the illegals kicking and screaming across the border.
It's time we start focusing on the real issue, which is to stop the in-flow.
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