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To: Zionist Conspirator

Are you suggesting that Jewish religious organizations be given soveriegn rights in the U.S. and that Rabbi's be given authority to sentence people to death?
How about Southern Baptists be allowed to take over everything in Dixie? Lutherans in the upper midwest?
Are you out of your mind?


157 posted on 11/19/2005 6:05:44 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: BnBlFlag; Zionist Conspirator

That's not what he's saying, as far as I can tell. Though his rhetoric is somewhat unpalatable. From what I can read, he wants a central Jewish religious authority established to prevent the further slippage of Jewish values. Thus, this religious body would adhere to an orthodox (in the literal sense, not the denominational sense necessarily) interpretation of the Torah and the Scriptures. I believe he's also arguing for a chief rabbinate, though I may be mistaken. Perhaps America does not have one, which is certainly possible. Some countries do (Ireland, France, Israel, Britain), but it's possible America doesn't. Canada may not either, now that I actually think of it. And I definitely don't think he's suggesting they be given the right to condemn people to death.

Of course I could be wrong, in which case it's just a stupid suggestion.


162 posted on 11/19/2005 6:11:41 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: BnBlFlag
Are you suggesting that Jewish religious organizations be given soveriegn rights in the U.S. and that Rabbi's be given authority to sentence people to death? How about Southern Baptists be allowed to take over everything in Dixie? Lutherans in the upper midwest? Are you out of your mind?

I am sorry you found my words so offensive. I expected a lot of outcry from non-Orthodox Jews, but not from a Confederate.

It is a simple fact that the Jews are a nation in exile, not a "religious denomination." If you will read your Bible (the front of it at any rate) you will see that G-d established a covenant with the Nation of Israel based on the Torah, and you will see that the Torah establishes a Theocratic government and mandates the death penalty for a wide number of offenses (even though the criteria for carrying it out are very stringent).

Up until the modern "enlightenment" nonsense of the past three hundred years the Jews were recognized as as sovereign nation in exile rather than just another "religious denomination" in a multireligious secular state (the multireligious secular state is a recent institution). During the Middle Ages the sovereignty of the Jewish community under its legitimate rulers was recognized, and with the permission of the host nation, those authorities still had the authority to execute the death penalty under certain conditions.

You are angry with me for being sick and tired of @$$holes like Yoffie and Foxman speaking as "rabbis" and "Jewish leaders" and wanting them subject to legitimate Jewish authority? What are you, some sort of Jacobin?

As to Baptists and Lutherans having such authority, I begin to suspect that you know very little about religion. The religion of Baptists and Lutherans, unlike that of Jews, is purely salvational with no legal element whatsoever. In fact, since the days of Martin Luther Protestants have been absolutely dependent on the secular authorities to execute G-d's laws in the state (and those laws have absolutely no bearing on salvation whatsoever according to Protestant theology), while the churches are devoted only to the salvation of the soul. This is one reason Protestants are so devastated by leftist governments--they have no mediating legal/communal structure to stand between them and the secualr state.

214 posted on 11/20/2005 7:31:30 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BeHaShem, vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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