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Reform Judaism represents about 900 synagogues in North America with an estimated membership of 1.5 million people.

They get these stats from the donation rolls of the DNC.

1 posted on 11/19/2005 3:40:10 PM PST by Alouette
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158 posted on 11/19/2005 6:05:55 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping List Freepmail me if you want on or off this ping list.)
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To: Alouette
Eric Yoffie's legacy as a "reform" leader ORTHODOX RULES!!!!
160 posted on 11/19/2005 6:08:28 PM PST by APRPEH (DPP is A OK)
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To: Alouette
Rabbi Eric Yoffie, president of the liberal Union for Reform Judaism

My Jewish b-i-l describes Reform Jews as "athiests who haven't kicked the temple habit".

161 posted on 11/19/2005 6:10:41 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Alouette
7 of the founding members of the Nzi's were gay, give me a break.

Not only did he believe in the pagan Od rays drawing men to men but men to boys, and found nothing wrong with it. He only gave lip service to his "dislike of homosexuals to keep the Catholicc Church quiet.

This Rabbi better do his homework.

165 posted on 11/19/2005 6:13:13 PM PST by marty60
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To: Alouette

"The appeaser feeds the crocodile in the hope that it will eat him last" - Winston Churchill

Just what is it Yoffie is trying to appease? Who is the crocodile?

I submit that it is the growing alliance of leftists and antisemites, the latter including the whole range of rabid Jew-hate from Cynthia McKinny to David Duke.

The institutional media ("MSM") are complicit in this for systematically ignoring the growth in openly antisemitic declarations from the left, as during Cyndi Sheehan's rants and various media-driven campus demonstrations.
The MSM have completely ignored the anti-War and pro-Islamic positions of KKK and neo-Nazi leaders and the increasing involvement of this scum in the lefty-instigated anti-war movement.
I could post a list of typical anti-Jewish statements and readers would be hard-pressed to guess whether they came from the left (including many JINOs), the "right" (Duke, etc.), or dead Nazis like Streicher and Goebbels.


171 posted on 11/19/2005 6:23:15 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (British by birth and bloodline; American by choice and bloodshed.)
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Rabbi Yoffie has allowed his dogma to be run over by his karma. His real unhappiness comes from two sources.

Moses has assumed room temperature long ago and is thus beyond Yoffie's reach. But Moses having started a faith that doesn't count homosexuals a members of a minyan (the minimum of ten males needed for a synagogue worship)and this is the basis of both Jewish and Christian homosexual proscriptions.

But Moses was, after all, settling a pastoral people into farming as he was founding a religion. Religious believers like new members, particularly children. Moses knew homosexuals didn't produce children. The rest follows.

Worse yet, Rabbi Yoffie really has a bone to pick with the source of what Moses admitted were words given to him rather than being Moses's own words. But that source has been rather indifferent to requests for in person debates over the original words.

How frustrating for Rabbi Yoffie. /sarc off
180 posted on 11/19/2005 6:59:21 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Alouette

Somewhere you can hear James Baker saying I told you so.


186 posted on 11/19/2005 7:19:43 PM PST by faithincowboys
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The leader of the largest branch of American Judaism blasted conservative religious activists in a speech Saturday, calling them "zealots" who claim a "monopoly on God" while promoting anti-gay policies akin to Adolf Hitler's.

He's talking about Moose Limbs, right?

194 posted on 11/19/2005 8:09:05 PM PST by PLK
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Perhaps he goes to the same Kabalah class as Madonna.


195 posted on 11/19/2005 8:12:06 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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#1. Reform so called Judaism gets its membership stats from the survey question "what branch of Judaism do you belong to?" which causes most respondents to conclude that if they aren't observant, they must be Reform.

#2. At least half those who belong to Reform congregations are not actually Jewish.

202 posted on 11/19/2005 11:48:41 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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"What could be more bigoted than to claim that you have a monopoly on God?" he said during the movement's national assembly in Houston, which runs through Sunday.

This man is a liar. I don't know of any religous leader who has claimed to have a monopoly on God. He needs to be challenged and made to name names. Then, the fireworks would get interesting.

The audience of 5,000 responded to the speech with enthusiastic applause.

Numbskulls who have to be told what to think are always enthusiastic about being told what to think.

208 posted on 11/20/2005 6:40:18 AM PST by demkicker
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To: Alouette
no excuse for hateful rhetoric...

Most of the "hateful rhetoric" I've heard the last few years has been from the leftwing thugs and footsoldiers, including "liberal theologians."

209 posted on 11/20/2005 6:41:06 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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On other topics, Yoffie asked Reform synagogues to do more to hold onto members, who often leave after their children go to college.

And Orthodox Jews have some of the highest retention rates, and the congregations are actually growing. There's a simple reason for this... In my experience, nearly every reform Jew I know only participates because it's what their family's always done. I once asked my late uncle why he bothers to go to synagogue at all, since in his words, "religion is nothing but bulls**t!" He said that he went in honor of his mother and father, who were religious. My Aunt continues to go, but she seems to treat services as a social event, chatting with everyone around her. From some younger families, I would get an answer of "we go for our children, so they get a religious education." And once the children are grown, they often stop going (as mentioned in the article). Quite often, those children really aren't observant at all.

I guess my observations have shown me that in many cases, Reform Jews do not observe their religion for G-d, or for themselves, but for other people. I realize that this sweeping statement is NOT the case for all Reform Jews, but for many that I've known over the years. And they're the one's that this article seems to be mentioning in regards to losing interest in Judaism.

It's no wonder, since from this perspective that Judaism holds no interest for themselves, only for others.

Mark

210 posted on 11/20/2005 6:53:58 AM PST by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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I do not understand the Reform Jews membership numbers:

They say they have 1.5 million members in 900 synagogues. That is an average of 1,700 members per synagogue.

Meanwhile, the Southern Baptists as an example have 17 million members in 41,000 churches or an average of 400 members per church.

The Presbyterian Church USA has an average membership of just over 200 members per church.

It certainly appears the Reformed Jews are grossly exaggerating their importance. Perhaps they only have about 250,000 members.


221 posted on 11/20/2005 1:08:56 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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From the Union's online Press Room: "The Union, which represents the largest branch of Judaism in North America, has a long history of opposition to war and was the first religious organization to oppose the War in Vietnam. In 1965, the Union’s General Assembly called for a cease-fire in Vietnam; four years later, the General assembly demanded an immediate ceasefire and the withdrawal of all troops no later than December 31, 1970."

So this is the leftist mouthpiece of the liberal Jews that have undermined the Jewish cause since the 60s.

Presently this leftist group is promoting ARZA (Association for Reform Zionist of America) in the upcoming national elections in Israel. The Union for Reform Judaism calls ARZA "a vote for the values which unite Reform/Progressive Jews and help to empower the growth of the Progressive Jewish Movement in Israel."

However, there are voices opposing the Israeli Reform movement. A click of my mouse found this one at the following site:

http://www.crisisisrael.com/display_commentary.php?cid=147

"The Reform movement has adopted the entire agenda of the American Left, down to and including bashing Israel for daring to defend itself. The Reform establishment is today barely distinct from the buffoons in the Tikkun-Aleph-Renewal cult of Michael Lerner and Arthur Waskow, other than the fact that they have not - yet - endorsed LSD use by Jews."

and,

"The Reform establishment opposes school choice for Jews and wants Jewish children confined to public schools; it supports every wacky idea to emerge from the most extremist environmentalist movements; it supports affirmative action quotas that discriminate against Jews; the number one item on its agenda these days is gay "marriage"; David Saperstein's comments opposing welfare reform were so outrageous that a few years back they were cited with approval by the American Communist Party newspaper. . . The Reform Establishment supports partial-birth abortion but vehemently opposes execution of convicted murderers and terrorists. It wants Israel to return to its 1949 borders with all "settlers" expelled. Reformies in Israel have led the anti-globalization hoodlums seeking to make the world safe for Marxism. . . It is not the religious parties who are responsible for the nation's self-destruction in Israel but the secularist ones, although the religious parties display cowardice in not stopping it. . .In an era when true believers in liberalism are an endangered species outside the Bay Area and Hollywood, the Reform establishment lobbies in the name of "Judaism" and "Biblical ethics" to impose its leftist political biases and lifestyle on all Jews and on the entire United States. It seeks to hijack Judaism, Jewish holidays and Jewish ethical authority on behalf of the PC fads of the liberal-Left."

227 posted on 11/20/2005 11:38:44 PM PST by jonrick46
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This "rabbi" (and the term is used loosely) Yoffie character is just another stale, outdated, 1960s hippie leftover that just cannot seem to get his sorry-tired needle unstuck. Yada, yada, yada, same ole, same ole. Make him a gentile and he'd fit right in with any liberal Protestant or liberal Catholic group; they all say the same things. Religious Jews and Christian are all "awful people out to destroy people's rights, take over, the sky is falling, the sky is falling....." B-O-R-I-N-G!

This JINO carpetbagger needs to be seriously smacked upside his fool head with a very large, very wet fish (say a yellow-fin tuna).

This yahoo is about as representative of real Judaism as John Shelby Spong is representative of real Christianity.

Someone needs to tell this joker to go kiss their Dixie tailpipes in Hebrew or Yiddish (that is, if the idjit even knows either language).


229 posted on 11/21/2005 5:41:40 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (It really, truly is a "religion of peace", and the jihadistinian rioters in France prove it!)
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To: Alouette

"Rabbi Eric Yoffie, president of the liberal Union for Reform Judaism.."

Nuff said.

The liberal Jewish establishment is to Judaism as the Methodist, Episcopalian and Presbyterian establishments are to Christianity - hogwash.


239 posted on 11/21/2005 10:01:25 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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