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Shut off the sale of Treasury bonds, and our country will suffer a total collapse.
1 posted on 11/18/2005 11:40:53 AM PST by Robert Drobot
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EVERY SINGLE MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD IN AMERICA NOW HAS A $166,000.00 PUBLIC DEBT

Whew! Good thing I am married!

118 posted on 11/18/2005 12:56:50 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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DON'T YOU HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE TYPE IN ALL CAPS? IT'S LIKE THEY ARE YELLING.


124 posted on 11/18/2005 1:04:34 PM PST by cowtowney
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Your math SUCKS.


134 posted on 11/18/2005 1:31:09 PM PST by Sloth ("I don't think I've done a good job for 25 years" -- Mary Mapes. "I agree." -- Sloth)
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being off by 4 trillion seems a little arbitrary. Is it 46 or 50 Trillion? Wait maybe we should look at the government report on current debt and see that it is 8.05 trillion. That is a long way from your number. what are you a writer for the New York Times?
147 posted on 11/18/2005 3:22:27 PM PST by q_an_a
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According to the Treasury Department, from 1776-2000, the first 224 years of U.S. history, 42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign governments and financial institutions, but in the past four years alone, the Bush administration borrowed $1.05 trillion. ... "No American political leadership has ever willfully and deliberately mortgaged our country to foreign interests in the manner we have witnessed over the past four years," said Tanner. "If this recklessness is not stopped, I truly believe our economic freedom as American citizens is in great jeopardy." [CNSNews]

To my knowledge, this is accurate. As can be seen in the first table at http://home.att.net/~rdavis2/debt06.html, foreign-owned public debt was $1.0579 trillion in 2000 and $1.8859 trillion in 2004. That's an increase of $0.828 trillion by 2004 so an increase of $1.05 trillion to the present day sounds reasonable. Much of this increase is likely prompted by our exploding trade deficit. Foreign governments invest much of this deficit back into the U.S. public debt. As point 4 on at aforementioned URL states, foreign-held public debt increased more than total public debt in 2004. Hence, in effect, the total increase was borrowed from foreign sources and an additional $48.1 billion of existing debt passed from domestic to foreign hands. Over the past three years, the increase in the foreign-held public debt has been 90.2 percent of the increase in the total public debt.

I wonder if there are any implications...

"The facts are not partisan, and they're not ideological," said David Walker, the nation's comptroller general. He should know. He's the nation's chief accountant and signs off on the government's balance sheet. America's fiscal future, he said, "is worse than advertised."

When the government next reports these numbers Dec. 15, the total is expected to reach $46 trillion to $50 trillion.

How much is $50 trillion? About $166,000 for each of the almost 300 million Americans. [Seatle Times]

American "wealth" is an illusion based on borrowed funds that will soon be cut off, followed by creditor claims. Are you ready to repay the $166,000 spent on your behalf?

Your quotes are accurate and come from the Seattle Times article at http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002606771_budget06.html. However, this is the "unfunded liabilities", not the "public debt". Following is a quote from that story:

And that's only the tip of the iceberg. The real problem is that the government's unfunded liabilities — items that include everything from public debt to promised Medicare and Social Security benefits — are growing at staggering rates.

Those liabilities totaled $20.4 trillion in 2000. They reached $43.3 trillion by 2004, after President Bush and Congress increased spending and cut taxes.

This is a very serious problem. I especially agree with the proposal made at the end of the article that we need to return to "Pay-Go". However, you need to properly specify that the article is referring to unfunded liabilities, not public debt.

By the way, I noticed that the CNSNews article is at http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200511/NAT20051104b.html.

155 posted on 11/19/2005 1:18:37 AM PST by remember
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Even the welfare recipients/?????????


160 posted on 11/19/2005 7:40:24 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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EVERY SINGLE MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD IN AMERICA NOW HAS A $166,000.00 PUBLIC DEBT

You seem to think this money is going to be paid back. You cannot sqeeze water from a rock.

162 posted on 11/19/2005 7:45:47 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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Just another W should be walking behind a "Newer Spreader" in Crawford, TX. You BushBots will see, probably too late, what is happening under the W admin. He has ruined the conservative movement for many years to come, if not forever.


163 posted on 11/19/2005 7:47:23 AM PST by devane617 (An Alley-Cat mind is a terrible thing to waste)
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We represent only 5% of the world's population...as we all can see, a lot of towel heads think we're better off dead. The more people we owe money to...the more interested they ALL BECOME IN OUR WELFARE. Under the Clintons our net indebtedness actually declined..and it was coupled with a rise in domestic terrorism folks.


170 posted on 11/19/2005 9:39:31 AM PST by mo
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Title is a lie. The per capita public debt might be that amount, but it is not an individual debt.

Every single man, woman and child in America does NOT have a $166,000.00 public debt. It's a nonsensical statement.


175 posted on 11/19/2005 2:07:18 PM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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Are you ready to repay the $166,000 spent on your behalf?

Silly question.

176 posted on 11/19/2005 2:08:30 PM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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Are you ready to repay the $166,000 spent on your behalf?

No problem, sell Alaska to the Chinese and Hawaii to the Japanese, that should cover it.

178 posted on 11/19/2005 2:11:32 PM PST by oldbrowser (A living, breathing constitution is a usurpation of the people's sovereignty.)
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Where did you get that number? Fifty trillion? WTF?


180 posted on 11/19/2005 2:14:19 PM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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Are you ready to repay the $166,000 spent on your behalf?

Does the US Treasury take Visa? If not, can I just pay the interest until I can start paying on the unpaid balance?

I'm quite willing to pay what I owe, I just need a little grace period to rearrange my other obligations. Another 20 or 30 years ought to do it.

193 posted on 11/19/2005 8:57:55 PM PST by epow ("Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people" Prov. 14:34)
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I've paid far more in federal income tax than $166,000 over the last 5 years. The feds took $70,000 from me in 2000 alone. I've actually paid closer to $200,000 in FIT for the years 2000-2004.
198 posted on 11/19/2005 9:55:49 PM PST by Myrddin
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On any balance sheet, you have assets and debts. Here you are only presenting the debt side. To be fair, please list the assets of the Federal Government and then deduct the debt from the assets to give us a better picture.

After all, if every man, woman and child is responsible for the debt, then we are equally entitled to any assets.

Unless your purpose is to present a fact out of context for whatever purpose you may have.

203 posted on 11/20/2005 8:31:00 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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I spent all mine in Iraq. One of the best investments ever.


215 posted on 11/20/2005 2:50:50 PM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Remember the Maine, Remember the Alamo..... Remember Murtha)
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Well I'm going to pay my share with $300 hammers and $ 600 toilet seats..I'll have a container full sent straight from China to the Treasury...


221 posted on 11/20/2005 10:47:14 PM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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1. His conclusions about America's wealth being an illusion doesn't seem to be supported by his shallow analysis.
2. What is the debt to equity ratio of the US government?


222 posted on 11/20/2005 11:04:02 PM PST by Busywhiskers ("...moral principle, the sine qua non of an orderly society." --Judge Edith H. Jones)
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