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To: StatenIsland
ID is not about God. Many main stream physicists speculate about some ID that set the initial conditions of the Universe that we exist in. Even to the point that some prior advanced civilization, seeing the universe collapsing, engineered a solution that caused the reemergence of a universe capable of genesis.

It is a matter of belief. Do you believe that accidental combinations of materials and circumstance can result in unique prevailing conditions that can support biological life that evolves into complex self-reflective beings, or do you believe that some design guided the process (evolution vs. ID)? Crick believed in pan-spermia to explain DNA, thinking that there was not sufficient time in Earth's history to explain such a complex self-replacting molecule. Many physicists believe that the extraordinarily precise values of fundamental constants that give rise to an interesting universe belie accident.

Look around yourself in the complex world - the pat explanation of chaotic expression moderated by survival of the (sexually isolated) mutants does not make sense. Neither does the idea of a progenitor intelligence. The question is unanswered. We should keep an open mind, and foster the question into the future.

I believe that we will soon be confronted with a huge clue in the emergence of apparent intelligence from the computational systems we are designing and building. Or not, the absence of intelligence from comparably complex assemblages of materials will be as bewildering as not, to me.

Quite beyond materialistic interactions, to me, the warp and woof of life suggests a maker with unfathomable grasp of the past, the future, the anvil of being, and the hammer of time and events, on human souls.

317 posted on 11/19/2005 6:52:02 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: GregoryFul

ID is not about God.....Quite beyond materialistic interactions, to me, the warp and woof of life suggests a maker with unfathomable grasp of the past, the future, the anvil of being, and the hammer of time and events, on human souls.

Duh.

318 posted on 11/19/2005 6:55:27 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: GregoryFul

"Quite beyond materialistic interactions, to me, the warp and woof of life suggests a maker with unfathomable grasp of the past, the future, the anvil of being, and the hammer of time and events, on human souls."

Nicely said, and yes, indeed, it does suggest that. But IMHO, the concept of a "maker" is not something that should be taught as science - the original point of the article. Great topic for a philosphy class, though.


336 posted on 11/20/2005 6:01:53 AM PST by StatenIsland
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