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To: RusIvan
Remember that Stalin explained the western Ukraine and Beloruss annexation same way like you with Teshin. There lived predominatly ukranians and belorusses and they were connected with thier other people.
I note that well connected since neither Ukarine nor Bellorus agree to return those lands to Poland now. No more Stalin and commies but still they want to keep those lands. How so?


I will refer only to the first sentence, as the latter one is just another stupid provocation, that you still keep repeating (like that Russo-German "something" around Kaliningrad).

You can't see the difference, because you don't want to, as your anti-Polish prejudice covers your sight.

On one side we have Poland, Czechoslovakia and the argument about Zaolzie

The area was populated by Polish majority. Czechoslovakia in 1919 took that land by force, when Poland was engaged in fightings in the east. Later they agreed to hold a plebiscite there, but they cheated and using the fact, that Poland was under deadly thraet by Tukhachevski's armies approaching Warsaw - they announced the border line on the Olza river. The planned plebiscite never took place.
Poland was forced to accept the situation settled this way, because it was engaged in deadly fightins with Bolsheviks (whereas Czechoslovakian railmen blocked military aid transports to Poland).
The relations between Poland and Czecholsovakia were very tense because of that during all inter-war period.

And in 1938 - when the Western powers let Hitler take Sudetenland because it was populated mainly by Germans - Poland took that possibility and did the same with Zaolzie. Poland took piece of land of the size of - I don't know, but you can see it on the map above. Without a single shot, without anybody getting killed. And Czechoslovakia still existed after that.

And now we go to Poland and Soviet Union and pact Ribbentrop - Molotov.

In 1921 Poland and Soviet Union signed a peace treaty. SU recognized Polish border line as it was until 1939.
On 23.08.1939 Nazi Germany and SU signed the Ribbentrop -Molotov treaty, setting the rules for the 4th Russo-German partition of Poland.
It was aimed clearly to destroy Poland and erase Polishness. As Vyatcheslav Molotov pointed it - we'll eliminate Poland - that hideous bastard of the Versailles treaty.
Executing the agreement Germany attacked Poland on 01.09.1939, and their faithful Soviet ally did the same 17 days later - starting the WW2. (BTW - this was actually the day when SU entered the war, not 22.06.1941).
Both parties of the pact torn Poland apart, destroying the country, deporting and murdering millions of its citizens.

If you really don't see the difference - then sorry, I can't do anything about it.

One more thing, that I find as very amusing about you.

All of you - yourself, jb6, garyspfc etc. - defend strictly the view, that SU had nothing to do with Russia, that those are 2 completely separate entities.

And at the same time you're obviously doing your best to defend and justify every hostile action of SU against Poland. Or - if something is impossible to justify (like Ribbentrop - Molotov pact, or Katyn massacre) - you rise some nonsense arguments, that are supposed to be a Polish counter-balance.

It's really funny, but if I post some article about Polish - Soviet struggle, I can be almost 90% sure, that one of you will show up, starting sometning like: oh, Ribbentrop - Molotov pact means nothing, take a look at Zaolzie issue, it's exactly the same.
380 posted on 11/23/2005 9:47:29 AM PST by lizol
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To: lizol

You can't see the difference, because you don't want to, as your anti-Polish prejudice covers your sight.==

Seems to me that for everyone with pro-polish bias (like you and compatriots), the one who do not share your bias looks like with anti-polish prejudice.

But I do not have anti-polish prejudice. I just try to be equal. And I try to show you that "none with out some sin".
And I know polish policy and soviet policy before WW2 was sinned! And NOT only theirs. Because the WW2 happened caused by sinned policies of some countries.

SO if poles go to point fingers and seek for guilty that firstly they need to look thouraughly on themselves since poles are NOT exepmlarary and has no rights to lecture none on moral.

Just admit it and we end it.


387 posted on 11/23/2005 10:53:28 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: lizol

All of you - yourself, jb6, garyspfc etc. - defend strictly the view, that SU had nothing to do with Russia, that those are 2 completely separate entities.==

Oh lizol.
1. I just defend the fact that SU was born on remnants of broken Russian Empire(RE) by band of international communists who won Civil war against russian national movement. SO russians lost thier empire and submitted to new commie' empire.
2. I defend the fact that "soviet" is NOT "russian" since SU included many people and nations and it wasn't russians who run it (opposite of how it was in RE).
3. I defend the fact that russians did most work to destroy that soviet empire. And if not that work we would never see today free Poland for example. SO some debt of gratude you have to have.


389 posted on 11/23/2005 11:07:17 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: lizol

Where the f**k I wrote in these words, that I considered this "population issue" as sufficient justification for Poland's action????==

Here: ".. And in 1938 - when the Western powers let Hitler take Sudetenland because it was populated mainly by Germans - Poland took that possibility and did the same with Zaolzie. .."

Poland did SAME with Zaolzie. SAME indeed.


391 posted on 11/23/2005 11:11:53 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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