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Town Hall.com ^ | 11-16-05 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 11/16/2005 7:05:02 AM PST by SheLion

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To: Gabz

I'll be honest; my initial reaction was "yes". After all, it was a benefit to me and didn't hurt me at all, right?

But then I sat down and thought about it. Carefully. And I had to ask myself if it was the right thing to do. After putting my conservative hat on and actually reading the language of the initiative (novel concept, I know) I changed my vote to "no".

I think the reason this passed is that too many people went with their initial reaction and didn't stop to think it through. Sadly, that's how most of our initiatives are decided.


41 posted on 11/16/2005 9:59:56 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Old Professer

"The problem with democracy is that..."

...it is a stepping stone to socialisme, which is precisely why we are not a democracy. The wisdom of our Founders is being stomped on by the current electorate.


42 posted on 11/16/2005 10:05:08 AM PST by CSM (When laws are written, they apply to ALL...Not just the yucky people you don't like. - HairOfTheDog)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Thank you for putting on your conservative hat and actually paying attention.


43 posted on 11/16/2005 10:39:35 AM PST by Gabz
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To: SheLion

Just got around to this post and I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

On second thought,I think I'll just light up and think about it.


44 posted on 11/16/2005 2:19:26 PM PST by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: RandallFlagg

Hey, you're still alive! LOL Haven't seen you around for a while, Randall. Think the last time I talked to you, your mom had knocked over (and wiped out) your fledgling tobacco plants.


45 posted on 11/16/2005 3:22:57 PM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: RandallFlagg

I still say the 'freedom of assembly' route is the way to go for lawsuits.


46 posted on 11/16/2005 3:26:01 PM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: SheLion

WHAT? How could they do that? I thought anything on Indian land was exempt from the 'white eyes' laws?


47 posted on 11/16/2005 3:35:39 PM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

The irony here is, I'd be willing to bet far more American Indians are tobacco smokers than any other 'born-here' racial group. Every time I traveled out west, every one I saw smoked.


48 posted on 11/16/2005 3:39:10 PM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

What you need to do, if this is such a burning issue with you (and believe me, I understand why it is-I'm pissed off about it, and don't live there) is to somehow get your message across to those who would be inclined to go to those casinos, via flyers, newspaper ads in the classified section, getting on local talk radio, whatever. You'll probably just be pissing into the wind, though, because, as you say, smokers everywhre are becoming desperate to go out somewhere and relax among other smokers. And the Indians of course know that.


49 posted on 11/16/2005 3:44:07 PM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: SheLion
Next will be the Alcohol free bar.

Then comes the Food Free resturaunt- Guess that would end those lawsuits against the Fast Food places- you drive through- they give you an empty bag with some napkins in it.

50 posted on 11/16/2005 3:44:13 PM PST by Pajamajan (The Democrat party proudly brings you the new and improved Soviet Union.)
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To: Old Professer; camle

You wouldn't be suggesting that current smokers adopt PETA or Greepeace tactics





Yes.


51 posted on 11/16/2005 3:48:45 PM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: The Foolkiller

I did consider writing letters to the editor or something... because not everyone is aware that the tribes were actively funding this... Whether I actually will do it, I don't know...

What's the point, you know? I feel for my local pub I used to go to, because their sales will hurt, their jobs and tips will suffer. Those working the casino bars are just out tryin' to earn a check too. They weren't involved in the Tribal PAC... And people go to the casinos for a lot more than just to find a place to smoke. It's just depressing. I want to go out to my local pub a few times before this gets enacted, so I can smoke and tip them well... they'll need it.


52 posted on 11/16/2005 3:50:12 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Well....not ragging on you here, Hair, really I'm not-but-there's an old saying that if you're apethetic & you won't do anything to try to change things-you're part of the problem. I personally had a hand in helping the Toledo smoking ban amendment passed (to allow smoking in bars, bowling alleys, bingo halls, and any small (LOCALLY OWNED) restaurant with ten employees or less. Also, any place that is willing to spend the money to build a separated smoking room with ventilation may do so). Proud of it, too. Of course, since it passed, the usual suspects (AHA,ALA,ACS) are now pushing for a statwide ban, because the Toledo vote-their first loss in the state-pissed them off. But the business owners are at least organized now.


53 posted on 11/16/2005 3:58:50 PM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: The Foolkiller

Point taken!


54 posted on 11/16/2005 4:02:02 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: Mears
On second thought,I think I'll just light up and think about it.

I have already smoked a few and pondered this article. 

55 posted on 11/16/2005 4:17:51 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: The Foolkiller
WHAT? How could they do that? I thought anything on Indian land was exempt from the 'white eyes' laws?

Maine: Would smoke-free casino succeed?

If you want to gamble in Maine, leave your smokes at the door.

56 posted on 11/16/2005 4:24:23 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: sionnsar

Don't blame me - I voted NO on 901. And, for the record, I am a militant non-smoker.


57 posted on 11/16/2005 7:04:44 PM PST by LibreOuMort ("...But as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Sorry about the typos in my last post to you-guess I need glasses. LOL Although I had a hand in fundraising for the business owners that were backing the amendment (and they were still outspent on ads 4-1 or 5-1), my crowning achievement , I have to confess, was purely a stroke of luck. I wrote a letter to the editor of one of the local weekly papers (with a wide circulation among people who can't stand the Blade) as I knew the Blade (rabidly smoker-hater, would never have published it). I stated the amount the heads of the ACS, the ALA, & the AHA in every state got for a salary, compared to the NATIONAL heads of TRUE non-profit orgs like the Salvation Army. I told how the parking lot at the national headquarters for the ACS was filled with expensive SUV's, Lexus, Mercedes, etc. I then stated the amount the 3 usual suspects were spending on ads to get the amendment to fail. I ended it by saying, "Isn't it indeed a pity that all this money (including those exorbitant salaries), raised mainly by your donations, can't be used for research, as it was intended?" They published my letter four days before the election-therefore, they had no time for rebuttal-they would've had to lie, anyway, since everything I said was the truth. The amendment passed by less than a thousand votes. So, I like to think that my letter influenced a lot of people. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll bet it did.


58 posted on 11/16/2005 11:50:54 PM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: SheLion
This state is farked.
I found out about this a couple days ago when a buddy pinged me on messenger.
I don't even smoke and can see that this is clearly a property rights issue - is there anything going on to fight this?
 
I was born and raised in washington state (eastside), but damn it this is the last farking straw.
Soon as I finish up in Iraq I'm relocating to Nevada.
59 posted on 11/20/2005 12:38:00 AM PST by tomakaze (Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.)
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