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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Ok, what is that way?

I did not say there is one. I said there may be one. Unlike you, I am not inclined to rule things out when it comes to the practice of science.

It's a classic example of a tautology. Unfortunately for you, that isn't science, that's just your feeling.

On the contrary, tautologies are of value both logically and scientifically. They have little to do with intuition, or feelings. But even intuition and feelings have a place in science. Those who deny it build themselves a weak soapbox. It is you who are operating with a false notion of science, both in regard to its practice and limitations.

441 posted on 11/16/2005 3:31:37 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
But even intuition and feelings have a place in science.

Fester, Fester, Fester...
Everytime you post one of your absurdities, I think "Wow, he can't top this one!" And then you post again...

449 posted on 11/16/2005 3:46:54 PM PST by blowfish
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"I did not say there is one. I said there may be one. Unlike you, I am not inclined to rule things out when it comes to the practice of science."

If there is no way to test your *feeling* that a designer exists, than it is not science, it is useless. Unlike you, I am not inclined to trust any old feeling or fancy that comes into my brain; in order to gain any confidence I need to test my feelings against the world. I want outside support. I want other to people to critique my ideas so they can become stronger.

One thing you said above is worth repeating:

"Unlike you, I am not inclined to rule things out when it comes to the practice of science."

THAT is why you will never get what science is. You want to include everything under the umbrella of science. You refuse to rule anything out. All claims are to you scientific (or else you didn't really mean what you said above.) Physical, nonphysical, supernatural; it's all the same to you. Evidence, supposition, wild guess, hallucination; no reason to rule out any of these.

"On the contrary, tautologies are of value both logically and scientifically."

They are scientifically dead statements. They can lead to no new knowledge. They can't be tested and they can't be falsified. They lead to intellectual death.


"But even intuition and feelings have a place in science. Those who deny it build themselves a weak soapbox. It is you who are operating with a false notion of science, both in regard to its practice and limitations."

Only as a first step perhaps. Those intuitions and feelings are just subjective musings unless you can base them in the real world by testing them. Unless of course you lack the courage to do so.
460 posted on 11/16/2005 4:01:14 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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