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they properly assume God created the heavens and the earth

ASSUME v 1: take to be the case or to be true; accept without verification or proof; Sir, I have followed this post from the very begining. I have watched you call people ideologue. I have watched you throw about labels left and right. I have watched you spew slams simply when people ask you a question. I have watched you that which you claim others do.

MOST people require proof for what it is they believe. Some claim the Bible proves when the TRUTH is that it only facilitates the assumption. Absent proof they assume. You say they properly assume. I will suggest to you that PROOF is what most people require for something to be proper. You never explain WHY it is proper to assume, and to do so without questioning in search of verifiable proof, because you cannot do so. Thus, an ideological viewpoint is exposed, a very narrow one at that.

I do have an open mind sir, and it is rants like yours that hurt the position you think you uphold. People try to show you that, but you react to that just like you do anything else that is questioned about what you say.

You are the one that slams people who think other than your ideological view of blind acceptance(assumption) and you lash out at anyone that questions the assumption in any way. As I am sure you will in response to this post.

An example of this is when you were asked what "design" is defined as. You claim presence of a design Means designer. Yet you refuse to explain how you got from design to designer. You do not support that with anything but your own personal ideology. Assumption. A design can be random, a design can be determined by factors in any particular environment. Yet you assign responsibility to a BEING that is a desinger. You make a leap of faith there and claim it to be the end all be all truth. This is a ideological LEAP that remains unsupported by anything BUT your feelings. Maybe it is time you simply ADMIT that and move on.

. . . take to be the case or to be true; accept without verification or proof;

Exactly. Science is well within bounds in assuming God created the heavens and the earth and sustains them. Narrow minded ideologues blurt out that this is "unscientific," but they have no evidence to back their claims. Neither do you.

You claim presence of a design Means designer.

No. I said it is not unreasonable, or unscientific, to infer a designer when we see something that is designed. In a good many cases we may safely assume an object is intelligently designed, and we can do so without being "unscientific." In almost every case the evidence is indirect.

Nor is it unreasonable, or unscientific, to extrapolate from there and infer a designer in cases where "nature" is organized and performs functions as complex as, or more complex than, human implements.