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To: Fester Chugabrew
Yes. Please supply an example.

Of ID Creationists invoking God?? You can't be serious...

Okay... Pull up any evolution thread over a couple hundred posts and look for key words, like "God" "Jesus" "Bible" or "Genesis."

Or look at Dembski's book Intelligent Design; the Bridge Between Science and Theology, in which he states that "Christ is indispensable to any scientific theory, even if its practitioners don't have a clue about him. The pragmatics of a scientific theory can, to be sure, be pursued without recourse to Christ. But the conceptual soundness of the theory can in the end only be located in Christ." Dembski also stated "ID is part of God's general revelation..."

Or look at Philip Johnson, who devised the famed "Wedge" strategy to lie about the religious nature of ID. (Lying for Christ is big with the ID creationsists.) Anyhow, Phillip Johnson places the foundation of intelligent design in the Bible's Book of John, specifically, John 1:1. Johnson says:

Now the way that I see the logic of our movement going is like this. The first thing you understand is that the Darwinian theory isn't true. It's falsified by all of the evidence and the logic is terrible. When you realize that, the next question that occurs to you is, well, where might you get the truth? When I preach from the Bible, as I often do at churches and on Sundays, I don't start with Genesis. I start with John 1:1. 'In the beginning was the word...' In the beginning was intelligence, purpose, and wisdom. The Bible had that right. And the materialist scientists are deluding themselves.
("Reclaiming America for Christ Conference" 1999. Phillip E. Johnson. How the Evolution Debate Can Be Won.)

This is, of course, just the tip of the iceberg. But I'm sure you already knew all about the fact that ID is Creationism with instructions to lie for Jesus.

(I'd post more, but dealing with these creeps always makes me feel like I need to take a shower afterwards...)

1,039 posted on 11/18/2005 10:39:32 AM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: WildHorseCrash

Just as I suspected. No reference to Zeus, Allah, Jehovah. Sloppy reasoning to assume they are all the same. As for the quotes from Dembski and Johnson, I see no attempts at subterfuge. They are simply laying out their assumptions which are in accord with Western science as it has been practiced for several centuries.


1,042 posted on 11/18/2005 10:51:46 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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