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Clearly you work with your own limited definition of science. Mine is wide enough to accomodate, among other things, indirect evidence to substantiate intelligent design as operative in every aspect of the universe. It happens to be a properly scientific point of view through both inductive and deductive reasoning.

All you can do with your definition is say, "We don't know and we can't know." So go ahead and throw up your hands in defeat. Science will carry on and discover, just as it discovered through this unltra-sensitive microscope, that even the smallest particles of matter behave as if they were designed.

"Clearly you work with your own limited definition of science."

I work with the definition that all scientists have used from Galileo and Newton till today. You work with your made up feelings about what you wish science to be.

"Mine is wide enough to accomodate, among other things, indirect evidence to substantiate intelligent design as operative in every aspect of the universe."

Yours is wide enough to accommodate anything, including logical fallacies and untestable emotions. If your *indirect evidence* can substantiate intelligent design in every aspect of the universe, how does the universe differ from one where the laws of nature just *are* and weren't designed? How would you know the difference between your intelligently designed universe and one whose regularity just *was*?

"All you can do with your definition is say, "We don't know and we can't know." So go ahead and throw up your hands in defeat."

In this case it is proper to do so, because there is no way to test any hypothesis we have about a deity or about design. The universe fits more than one possibility, and we don't have the info to make a decision.

"Science will carry on and discover, just as it discovered through this unltra-sensitive microscope, that even the smallest particles of matter behave as if they were designed."

Science has found no such thing. Science has found that matter is organized and operates under regular patterns. There is no way to know if this is design or just the nature of matter.

""I asked you whether one can exist completely apart from the other, and you dodged that question as well as you've left a host of other questions unanswered."

You can't even come up with a good definition of either order or design, why should I answer your silly question?

". You're the one who insists science "cannot know" where there is design, and where there is intelligence, and where the two might just be related."

You can't even define them, so I am ahead.