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Pentagon Used White Phosphorous in Iraq...
washingtonpost ^ | Tuesday, November 15, 2005; 6:02 PM | ROBERT BURNS (AP)

Posted on 11/15/2005 4:55:30 PM PST by fontoon

Pentagon Used White Phosphorous in Iraq By ROBERT BURNS The Associated Press Tuesday, November 15, 2005; 6:02 PM

WASHINGTON -- Pentagon officials acknowledged Tuesday that U.S. troops used white phosphorous as a weapon against insurgent strongholds during the battle of Fallujah last November. But they denied an Italian television news report that the spontaneously flammable material was used against civilians.

Lt. Col. Barry Venable, a Pentagon spokesman, said that while white phosphorous is most frequently used to mark targets or obscure a position, it was used at times in Fallujah as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants.

"It was not used against civilians," Venable said.

The spokesman referred reporters to an article in the March-April 2005 edition of the Army's Field Artillery magazine, an official publication, in which veterans of the Fallujah fight spelled out their use of white phosphorous and other weapons. The authors used the shorthand "WP" in referring to white phosphorous.

"WP proved to be an effective and versatile munition," the authors wrote. "We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE (high explosive)" munitions.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: fallujah; gwot; iraq; oif; waronterror; whitephosphorous
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To: Travis McGee

When I was in the Army, I was taught that you're not supposed to use WP on personnel, but you could on equipment. Technically WP is against the Hague Conventions on war if used on people, just like other incendiary devices.


21 posted on 11/15/2005 5:02:40 PM PST by GAB-1955 (The U.S. Coast Guard -- Shooting at Frenchmen since 1790!)
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To: Pedrobud
Here on Arkansas you had it right the first time. As in we are all Maericans!
22 posted on 11/15/2005 5:02:44 PM PST by OSHA (Liberalism - Is it real or is it Scrappleface?)
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To: fontoon
What is even more disturbing is that I read that some marines carried KNIVES. And they were walking very fast. Next, the moonbats will be crying a river over the emissions a tank makes.
24 posted on 11/15/2005 5:03:13 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

This is bad, really bad. If the left ever found out we used rifles in Iraq it's all over.

All kidding aside, the left is only making a big deal over this because they have no idea how to win a war.


25 posted on 11/15/2005 5:03:16 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: nevergore

26 posted on 11/15/2005 5:03:29 PM PST by day10 (Wherever you come near the human race there's layers and layers of nonsense.)
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To: fontoon

Yeah, so what? Use napalm and poison gas for all I care. You don't go to war to lose. People will die and if they are the enemy, so what?

My Dad did two tours and if that is what it takes, so be it.


27 posted on 11/15/2005 5:04:10 PM PST by doodad
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To: fontoon

Smoke screens are not illegal. The issue is with this portion:

"...as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE (high explosive)" munitions."

When a WP 'explodes' it fragments into small pieces that fall to the ground. I think the author was saying these small pieces would fall into the trenches and spider holes. Please note, I'm not criticizing the use of WP as an anti-personnel weapon. In fact, I'm all in favor of it. Never understood why it's ok to blow a guy up or shoot him full of holes or bayoneting him but burning him is somehow wrong.


29 posted on 11/15/2005 5:04:47 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: fontoon
Pentagon Used White Phosphorous in Iraq...

Yeah...so?

30 posted on 11/15/2005 5:05:05 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: fontoon
how is willie pete nasty stuff, what makes it more nasty than other smoke incendiaries

It sticks to your skin while it's burning and you can't get it off. It can be an effective anti-personnel weapon, not unlike napalm. We've been using the stuff since WWII - it's taken until now for the MSM to discover how "horrible" it is.

31 posted on 11/15/2005 5:05:05 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When government does too much, nobody else does much of anything." -- Mark Steyn)
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To: Travis McGee

No, that would be spit balls... per Zell.


32 posted on 11/15/2005 5:05:22 PM PST by hobson
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To: fontoon

White Phosphorus can be pretty nasty stuff when used as a weapon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_incendiary

"These weapons are particularly nasty because white phosphorus continues to burn until it disappears. If service members are hit by pieces of white phosphorus, it could burn right down to the bone."


33 posted on 11/15/2005 5:06:07 PM PST by Frenetic
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Here here. WP or whatever else it takes. Anyone need a glass parking lot for their new Sears store?


34 posted on 11/15/2005 5:06:34 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Travis McGee

35 posted on 11/15/2005 5:06:49 PM PST by Conservative Firster
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To: fontoon
White phosphorous burns on contact with air. Smoke is just a chemical reaction that produces smoke.

If you get a chunk on your arm it will burn right through.

Works great.

Caution - Never attempt to throw anything with a bursting radius bigger than you can throw it.
36 posted on 11/15/2005 5:06:58 PM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: fontoon

Willy Pete may be nasty, but it is not illegal.


37 posted on 11/15/2005 5:07:35 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: fontoon

USMC, Pacific, WWII.

Flamethrower.

38 posted on 11/15/2005 5:07:59 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: fontoon
how is willie pete nasty stuff, what makes it more nasty than other smoke incendiaries

It embeds in the skin and burns right through, like the aliens blood in the movie Alien... and dumping water on it makes it worse!

39 posted on 11/15/2005 5:09:49 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: day10

Touche'....pardon my French....


40 posted on 11/15/2005 5:10:12 PM PST by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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