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How Rice Won a Mideast Deal
TIME ^ | 11/15/05 | ELAINE SHANNON

Posted on 11/15/2005 3:14:06 PM PST by Pikamax

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To: SJackson

It does seem high. Only two of my son's Jewish friends even had bar mitzvahs. Perhaps they meant 57% go for the Holy Days. It has to be at least that many.


121 posted on 11/16/2005 7:00:58 PM PST by littleleaguemom
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To: littleleaguemom

You came on this thread with one sided anti Israel pro Arab views and now somehow claim that it is all the result of your bad experience with some guide that your friends found for you?

The Israel and the so Arab "territories" you describe have no resemblance to reality.

Maybe that journey you took to that alternate universe was the fault of the only guide in Israel who doesn't speak fluent English. If you could take three steps in any direction and did not encounter an Israel pretty fluent in English, you were not in Israel.

Still I would assume YOUR English is good enough to have been able to read all the signs in English leading to both the Wall and the Church and almost everywere else.


122 posted on 11/16/2005 7:22:12 PM PST by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: Sabramerican

Excuse the typos. I should edit before I post.


123 posted on 11/16/2005 7:24:27 PM PST by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: littleleaguemom
never once did we see the ubiquitous Uzi's that are everywhere in Israel

That's because there is no history or daily threat of Israeli suicide bombers blowing up Pali civilians. Now grow up.

124 posted on 11/16/2005 7:37:43 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Anthem
not all Jews are Zionists. I know first hand that some Jews who are more orthodox in their beliefs don't agree with Zionism.

So now members of Neturei Karta are your "best friends"?

Where do you hang out? Anti-Israel demonstrations? Strip joints?

125 posted on 11/16/2005 7:54:35 PM PST by Alouette (Gaza: Too small to be a country, too large to be an insane asylum (thanx: Pettigru).)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I think you missed my point. As a tourist, I was safer away from the Israelis who are targets and need to be armed. It appears both Israel and Palestine have very little actual crime, with the murder rate (almost wholly terrorist attacks) in Israel much lower than most American cities.


126 posted on 11/16/2005 7:58:10 PM PST by littleleaguemom
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To: Alouette; Anthem
Where do you hang out? Anti-Israel demonstrations? Strip joints?

Hopefully not in the background?


127 posted on 11/16/2005 8:01:22 PM PST by SJackson (People have learned from Gaza that resistance succeeds, not smart negotiators., Hassem Darwish)
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To: littleleaguemom
It does seem high. Only two of my son's Jewish friends even had bar mitzvahs. Perhaps they meant 57% go for the Holy Days. It has to be at least that many.

Yes, it is. Perhaps your sources are just wrong.

128 posted on 11/16/2005 8:02:49 PM PST by SJackson (People have learned from Gaza that resistance succeeds, not smart negotiators., Hassem Darwish)
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To: littleleaguemom
I was safer away from the Israelis who are targets

Both the targets and the bad guys?

Can't be the Arabs are the bad guys, you make that clear in #36. The Arabs are the victims and (now according to you) the threat.

You seem sort of confused. Maybe it wasn't the guide.

With each post you are making a bigger fool of yourself.

Oh, now I've done it. Your friend above will consider this another bigoted Zionist post and Jihad recruitment will increase.

129 posted on 11/16/2005 8:07:29 PM PST by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: Anthem

"Perhaps they remember the Irgun and feel some responsibility."

Responsibility? That would be hubris. No grateful.

Learn some history. Rabin and his political party were the ones who acted shamefully.

"One of Rabin's proudest military moments came on June 22, 1948. Menachem Begin's Irgun, another Israeli military group, was in the midst of negotiating a pact with David Ben-Gurion under which Irgun would join the new Israeli Defense Force. Meanwhile, the Irgun had loaded a ship, the Altalena, with weapons and Jewish fighters (many of them Holocaust survivors) to join the IDF. Ben-Gurion ordered that the Altalena be fired upon. Rabin carried out his orders to the letter. Later, Rabin bragged how he had "bumped them off on the deck of the burning ship and while they were trying to swim to safety." Sixteen Jews were killed, many shot while swimming to shore. "

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/benshapiro/2003/11/05/170352.html


130 posted on 11/16/2005 8:07:50 PM PST by dervish (no excuses)
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To: SJackson
Triplets separated at birth????


131 posted on 11/16/2005 8:13:42 PM PST by Alouette (Gaza: Too small to be a country, too large to be an insane asylum (thanx: Pettigru).)
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To: hinckley buzzard
That's because there is no history or daily threat of Israeli suicide bombers blowing up Pali civilians.

This is simply not true. From the massacres at Deir Yasin and Qibya (both where women and children were killed in their houses, the latter so brutally cold blooded that the US suspended diplomatic relations with Israel), to the war crime at Shatila, there are plenty of examples of why the Palestinians should fear the Israelis. The Zionist "Irgun" and "Stern" literally taught terrorism to the Palestinians.

Any culture that produces young men who would run over a young woman with a bulldozer is not worth supporting.

132 posted on 11/16/2005 8:18:09 PM PST by Anthem (One can not lie their way to the truth.)
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To: Anthem

When we went through the checkpoints the young IDF officers were professional and pleasant but the Muslim guides with us genuinely feared them. All the officers actually did was check whether we were wearing seatbelts but when one has a machine gun and the other a cell phone, it's understandable to be nervous.


133 posted on 11/16/2005 8:28:22 PM PST by littleleaguemom
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To: dervish
Not the first horror story I've read about David Ben Gurion and his party.
134 posted on 11/16/2005 8:32:18 PM PST by Anthem (One can not lie their way to the truth.)
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To: Anthem

I have a hunch that "bigoted zionist posts" on FR are not the reason you are a lying Arab propagandist.


135 posted on 11/16/2005 8:34:34 PM PST by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: littleleaguemom

So again you admit the Israelis were acting well and the Arabs were exaggerating?

Cops have machine guns and cell phones at the entrance of every NYC tunnel and many other places.

Do you know why?

Hint- they are not afraid of Israelis.


136 posted on 11/16/2005 8:38:42 PM PST by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: Anthem

"Any culture that produces young men who would run over a young woman with a bulldozer is not worth supporting."

Ah, the 'innocent' Rachel.

any culture that urges young woman to put themselves in danger of getting accidentally run over by a bulldozer must be the same caring culture that sends fifteeen year old boys on weapons smuggling and suicide missions.

http://newsfromrussia.com/hotspots/2005/10/20/65717.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bomber

And here's a great one on the only Rachel who was not innocent.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=19961


137 posted on 11/16/2005 8:41:01 PM PST by dervish (no excuses)
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To: dervish
Culture


138 posted on 11/16/2005 8:44:13 PM PST by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: Anthem

No. The Rabin story is history.

Chamish is a conspiracy theorist of the worst tripe.

He is also a Holocaust revisionist. Interesting that you quote him. Are you a Holocaust Revisionist too?


139 posted on 11/16/2005 8:46:56 PM PST by dervish (no excuses)
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To: Sabramerican
I have a hunch that "bigoted zionist posts" on FR are not the reason you are a lying Arab propagandist.

Any facts you don't like are lies. Predictably, you degenerate to insults and baiting. I know your history, you're especially good at vile insults to women. I look forward to meeting you some day.

140 posted on 11/16/2005 8:48:06 PM PST by Anthem (One can not lie their way to the truth.)
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