Posted on 11/15/2005 9:56:55 AM PST by Millee
1. Higher income people spank less than lower income people.
2. Higher income kids are less violent than lower income kids.
3. That does not mean that it is the spanking that lower income people are more apt to do that causes the violence.
I didn't begin spanking my first until he was about 3. He was extremely aggressive. I started spanking him and the aggressiveness stopped. He is very well behaved and well respected by adults. Thank goodness, I came to my senses before it was too late.
He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.
'Nuff sed
The Bible is clear too in Proverbs. That the rod will spare the child hell.
First of all, there are only 336 mothers involved in this study. That seems a little low to determine anything worthwhile. Second, this isn't an objective study... it asked the mothers' opinions. The end result being completely meaningless.
That such studies will be used to poke collective noses into individual families autonomy, is very, very offensive to me.
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
Yeah, that looks like a real cross-section of society.
Got my rear end torn up on many an occasion. Still believe it was good for me. I now usually behave.
I have an 11 and 13 year old. My wife and I have never used physical discipline on either one of them aside from finding them playing with a light socket or crossing the street without looking. Only to drive the point home that what they are doing could kill them. It's been ten years since that happened. Today, both are respectful, well adjusted, well behaved "A" students, who actually enjoy and seek out the company of their parents and other relatives. They actually asked if they could go to church with their grandpa last Sunday. However, put them in the same room together, and all bets are off. You can't win 'em all I guess.
The bottom line is that the discipline MUST be tailored to the child. It is the responsibility of the parent to be a student of their child’s behavior. My oldest son required infrequent swats. His younger brother was more “stiff necked”, if you will, and earned himself more frequent cheek warmings. He was also more readily motivated to behave by the occasional spanking. Their younger sister is poorly motivated to change her behavior due to physical discipline, and is almost never willfully disobedient to the point of earning one; I can count the number of swats she has received on one hand (no pun intended). Our youngest (daughter) is a pistol. She has no qualms about being willfully disobedient, and she is nearly always reverse motivated by physical discipline. For this reason spankings must be used with very great care. Most of her acting out is a combination of her strong will and her need for reassurance and boundaries; she is looking for security through limits. These limits must be set with firmness and love.
Spankings should never be done out of anger or frustration, but out of the child’s need for correction and redirection. Proper discipline is done out of love for the child, and spanking is only one tool in the parent kit. The effort is to subdue their will but not to harm their spirit. Over time the responsibility for controlling and directing their will becomes their own. Trained up properly and Lord willing, they will grow to become fulfilled adults, devoted to God, family and country who readily display love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance.
So this study turns on which mothers you ask? I don't think so. I'm not for beating a child, or even spanking often. It should be reserved for willful defiance only. But to spare the rod is to spoil the child. There are times when it is the best solution. Their little minds just can't reason everything out yet.
No fair asking such a tough question!!! The govt will have to spend a few billion sponsoring research before anyone can claim to know the answer to such a complicated question.
/sarc
Hogwash. Me thinks these 'researchers' combined all types of physical punishment together (e.g. beatings, smacking the kid wherever you can land the blow just because you are ticked off at the world).
Spanking, done appropriately, is a proper and effective form of discipline.
"However, put them in the same room together, and all bets are off."
LOL - I have three - a 21 yr old daughter, and twins, 19, boy and girl and they are still like that!
Worse.
LOL. I don't believe in beating kids but a spanking is sometimes the only thing to get their attention. Personally I think the "time out" nonsense makes them worse.
This is not so very clear cut as "thou shalt spank". Please see my post above. "The rod" is only one means of discipline. The first half of this contrast is a curt characterization of the attitude the non-disciplining parent has for the child. While the parent may not actually hold hatred for the child, the end result will not be far from if the parent had done so. The second half of the contrast encourages parents in being "careful to discipline". This is not simply a call to "be sure you beat" your child, but a call to apply discipline with care. This is the “tailoring” described in my first post.
"LOL - I have three - a 21 yr old daughter, and twins, 19, boy and girl and they are still like that!"
That's OK. It makes the holidays timeless.
Children who are not spanked are more likely to be spoiled little brats, of little use to society and their fellow man.
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