We have a stupid, backwards, and unrealistic set of limits on those who can come across the border, and it is IMPOSSIBLE (or nearly so) for a Mexican living here to become legal. Let me give you an illustration. My daughter works a part time job at a local grocery. A Salvadorean did not have a legit tax ID number (he was paying SS, fed income tax, medicare, state income, and local taxes into a bogus number, had been doing so for years, but never filed to get refunds because he was afraid). They ran a check on him and found the bogus number. They really did not want to let him go, as he is bright, honest, hard working, doesn't drink, shows up on time, is learning english, and wants to become an engineer someday. He is a good kid, and they LIKE good employees. He was able to contact immigration, get a number, and get legal status in about 4 months. OTOH, another kid from Mexico who fits the same profile simply cannot do so. (they haven't spotted his bogus number yet) There are no provisions for doing so. If he reports himself to immigration, (as Luis, the guy from El Salvador did) they will just deport him.
What I cannot figure out is WHY in God's name freepers won't support some kind of plan to allow these people to pay a financial penalty and STAY. Many of them have supervisory positions, or own small businesses, employ people, have homes, keep the laws as well as most citizens (except those they break because they are simply trying to stay here).
I hear all the talk about sovereignty, border security, and agree, but when it comes to nuts and bolts, what I see is alot of just plain vindictive retribution. I think it is despicable and unamerican.
>>>What I cannot figure out is WHY in God's name freepers won't support some kind of plan to allow these people to pay a financial penalty and STAY. >>>
Because 95% of them send 95% of their income back to Mexico and gain much by our welfare system with food stamps/health care/education. Maybe if they would actually become a part of America and not have one foot in America, one in Mexico... I know personally 10 mexicans living in one house. They all work, switching out sitting the kids with different shifts. They live all in one house because they spare spending money here (and getting adequate housing and barely enough food) so they can send lots of money back to Mexico. Not helping our economy much, is it?
"What I cannot figure out is WHY in God's name freepers won't support some kind of plan to allow these people to pay a financial penalty and STAY. Many of them have supervisory positions, or own small businesses, employ people, have homes, keep the laws as well as most citizens (except those they break because they are simply trying to stay here)."
Here's a plan. Open up a small business. Put our life savings into it. Play by the rules. Break your back getting it off the ground and operating at a profitable level. Then sit back and watch your scumbag competitors who hire illegals low ball every esimate you have given out. Watch your money dwindle becaue you're playing by the rules and run your business LEGALLY. Lose all your life savings. Go out of business.
Then get back to me.
If your business relies on ILLEGALS to make ends meet, your a dirtbag, pure and simple. You have an illegitimate business model.
Got it now?
I have seen this happen dozens of times in CT to legit small business owners.
You have a strange definition of "good kid". From your post we know that he: entered our country illegally, committed identity fraud, failed to file income tax returns and violated our employment laws. My guess is that he also probably broke a few other laws like: driving without a license, driving without insurance and probably more. Most illegals pretty much ignore any law that gets in their way. They only feel that they need to obey the laws that are not inconvenient for them to obey. They are not exactly model citizens and I have no desire to hand them the voting franchise.
As far as paying taxes goes, there is a big difference between filling out the form and actually contributing to the treasury. Employment taxes (SS and Medicare) are hard to avoid but most illegals list enough deductions so that income tax withholding is negligible. Now that he is legal and filing tax returns, he likely qualifies for the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and is getting tax refunds in excess of whatever he is paying in. The EITC is welfare disguised as a tax refund courtesy of middle class taxpayers. If we do as you say which is to turn all these low income illegal third worlders into citizens they are going to be vastly more expensive then they already are for taxpayers because many will qualify for the EITC. They will get the whole enchilada: citizenship and welfare too!
I think you are despicable and unamerican.
Idiot!
What is it about illegal you don't understand. My white American born Citizen son can't get a part time job because illegals are filling the slots. Give me a break with the sobbing bleeding heart liberal attitude..If they want to do it right, let them go through the process and come here legally. As long as they can come here illegally and the bleeding hearts support them and take them in they will keep coming. ...illegally. BTW if these folks really are business owners and supervisors and are paying taxes (meaning they are in the competitive salary market because their employers must pay social security and benefits for them) they are taking AMERICAN JOBS. Also get your facts straight. The VAST majority of these illegals are low wage labor and are employed on a cash basis and do not pay taxes, social security, or any other taxes except sales taxes (vote for the Fair Tax!). BUT they DO send their kids to public school, use social services (as in free school lunch programs, health care, etc) and download babies for free at local hospitals (who are automatically then citizens).