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I do however think there are counters to Chertoff's assessment and I attempted to address some of them. I didn't even get into the cost of healthcare and eduction.

For the record .. I don't agree totally with Chertoff and the President regarding our illegal problem

Some things they are right .. some things they are wrong .. some things it's a start, but needs more improvement on

I've also previously tried to discuss the health care and eduction problem with regard to illegals ... only to be slammed by others ..

Maybe I should go back to my first instinct and continue to avoid these threads because from reading some of the posts on this thread ... things haven't changed

Take care