Posted on 11/15/2005 6:51:13 AM PST by DTogo
...HANNITY: Because you had made a controversial statement, and you seem to be backing off of it now, and it was that people that are here illegally, that they all ought to be sent back.
I'm paraphrasing.
And it seems like now you've sort of backed off that position a little bit, because there are million that we estimate that are in this country illegally.
Why wouldn't we send them back?
CHERTOFF: ...I also recognize we've got, according to some estimates, 10 to 11 million illegals already in this country working. And the cost of identifying all of those people and sending them back would be stupendous. It would be billions and billions of dollars...
HANNITY: Why — in that sense, aren't you really rewarding those that didn't respect our laws and sovereignty? In other words, OK, you're saying, you came into this country illegally.
Now that we've identified you, we're going to let you even stay longer and make money, and then you can go back in three to six years.
Why don't we say, no, you're here illegally, you didn't respect our laws, you ought to go home? Why don't we just say that?
CHERTOFF: Well, Sean, you know, it's really an issue of practicality.
I mean, as a practical matter, we've got to identify these people and pull them out of the shadows.
Now, this is not an amnesty. This is not — the president's proposal is not a path to citizenship. It's clearly temporary, and it clearly envisions people who would have to commit to go back....
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Wow. Guess my parents and everyone else who escaped Hitler and Stalin lied about how they came here LEGALLY, after years of waiting in line, having to learn English and the Constitution, be healthy, have sponsors and/or jobs depending on age, women and children came first and the fathers followed sometimes years later.
People will always hang out with others who share their culture, but no one in the 1940s and 1950s had official government and business documents translated (for "free") into their language to cater to them. These were people escaping true horrors of war, not just for "economic opportunity" to send all their money back to the "homeland."
well said, BQ, and I agree. My ancestors didn't lie about anything either; on both sides of my "family tree" they left their country of origins due to famine and rampant death/disease, also, way back, because of religious persectution. But I guess those kinds of facts get in the way of pro-illegals who agree with illegals in America, grifting the system, and sending money to their families, outside of America.
I have no problem at all with this concept. Further, I strongly support that approach. I do have a problem seeing how another federal law is going to establish it, and I detest the idea that we run to the fed to fix our problems.
Part of this is a libertarian approach to all this stuff. Rather than get "our" laws passed, I favor telling the fed to butt out of most stuff (the borders are another issue, as they are one of the few things constitutionally enumerated as federal responsibility).
Yours in one of the best posts I have read in a very long time. Thanks.
It appears there is at least some agreement to our various disagreements.
There is a problem, however, in that the federal government is also guilty of not promoting "English" only in its various literature/requirements at the federal level.
I am in agreement with the idea (I do not believe that children of illegals should be automatic citizens), but I don't think that idea will pass muster. It is a novel approach, tho.
I think we should do what INS recently did. If a person is busted and being deported, and has a US citizen for a child, that child should be able to return at age 18 as a citizen, or it can stay with another legal resident, but the mom has to go...., if we are going to maintain the current laws on immigration. Of course, you already know my position on whether or not we should allow people in and what we should do to people who are here illegally but "otherwise" would qualify for residency...., but I fear we shall disagree there.
Search your own posts, dipstick.
Still waiting for an answer.
Put up or shut up.
I am not against immigration. I am against illegals living here, no matter their ethnicity, with not only impunity, but receiving benefits of any kind, especially those that are designated for citizens and most especially, special preference over and above those who are, and have been, waiting in line and following the established laws and rules for them to get in.
That rewards bad behavior and encourages still more, not only with the person rewarded, but sets an example for others to also break laws, in anticipation of future "rewards" for their illegal behavior...which has been ongoing now since long before President Reagan bestowed amnesty of millions of illegal aliens. It's ridiculous.
Les Miserables #262 By the way I said that several hundred posts ago you lazy DU pissant.
"Of course, I find your first proposal abhorrent, but wanted to agree where I could."
Let me make sure I understand you...you're saying it should not be illegal to employ illegal aliens? You're saying it would be "abhorrent" to make employing illegals...illegal?
I also believe you that you (with most freepers) are not "against" immigration (though I suspect I am for more of it than alot of freepers).
I also share the distatste for fed benefits for illegals (short trip for me, I am against all fed benefits, period).
The big difference between me and many here has to do with what we do with the folks who are here illegally. The position of most freepers is that because they are here illegally STEP NUMBER ONE is to round them up and expel them to a secure border. I strongly disagree for a whole bevy of reasons. I briefly list some of the majors below:
1) fear of police state powers necessary to round up and deport 10 million plus people.
2) fear of police state power emanating from the fed necesary to enforce this on a workplace level (the only way I can see it will work)
3) economic price we will pay for stripping out our biggest source of entry level labor
4) the availability of simple market based alternatives ( I have posted some of these in this thread)
5) the human cost of mass dislocation and sudden expulsion to a non-employed poverty sticken country (in the case of Mexico)
6) the consequent shoving of Mexico and Latin America into the arms of Fidel and Hugo Chavez
7) finally, NOT first, but I have to admit it has a place..... I love these people. Their warmth and kindness won my heart when I was a kid who hitchiked from Brownsville TX to Lima Peru and back (had to fly between Panama and Colombia, no road) and was on the road 8 months. I never really got over it. I have never been treated as kindly by anyone, and I have been all over the world. don't expect you to buy into that one, but for the sake of honesty I had to put it out there.
These are not ALL the reasons, and I don't expect everyone to buy them..... actually, I don't expect ANYONE to buy them on FR, but a reasonable case can be made that there are alternatives to the prevailing groupthink on FR.
That is not what I said. Nor is it an accurate statement of what HE said, to which I was reponding. See if you can parse out what is the difference in what you are saying from what he originally proposed, and then get back to me. If you can't figure out that there is a significant difference, I will explain it to you.
They always "out" themselves in pretty much the same way, nic. At the first whiff of gunpowder, they reach for the race card. I have yet to see a quisling who could resist the temptation. We were down to just a few of these loons, the balance having been attrited mostly by reason of using race baiting tactics. Now it seems we have picked up another 6 or 7 with whom we will have to deal.
Bring it on.
I'll respond to this first, the rest later.
To make this absolutely clear: if we're talking about Mexicans/Latins, it is not my dislike for them that I am against illegal Mexicans/Latins being here.
My first interaction with a Mexican was as a young child, in the Los Angeles area. This man worked with my father at a major vacuum company as a repairman. I don't know if he was born in America or not (let's assume he was). My father later went into his own business, and took this man with him to work for him, repairing vacuum cleaners and sewing machines. He remained employed by my father for many years, up until my father closed his shop. I have very fond memories of this kind man. I was exposed to his language and family. I remember his talking at times on the telephone while at my dad's shop and he would speak in English and Spanish in the same conversation; I was in awe, and amused, at his ability to speak like that, and remember telling him so. Our families did things with each other at times. He was extremely kind to my father, and my family, when my mother died when I was almost 13.
During high school, I travelled to a small town in Sonora, Mexico, with a church group, visiting during Easter week. The people there were very poor and could not speak English. Most of my friends couldn't speak Spanish; because I could fairly well at the time, I was used as a translator. We had a wonderful time there; and it was mostly because of the kindness and hospitality showed to us by the Mexican people; one family hosted several of us for a beautiful dinner in their home, composed of hard dirt floors and metal siding roofs. We were later told by one of our pastors (himself from Mexico), that this family share more food with us than they could probably afford to eat themselves. He refrained from telling this to us until after departed, fearing that had we known or felt we were depriving them, we'd have eaten less, thereby possibly offending this kind family.
As a young adult, I worked at an international banking office and came into constant contact with Mexican bankers flown to Los Angeles for training, and worked with legal immigrants from such places as Cuba, Ecuador, Mexico, China, Germany, Egypt, Lebanon, and the Czech Republic. I've also traveled to Puerto Vallarta, as have my children, who have gone numerous times, as well as to other towns throughout Mexico. My children also very much enjoy the Mexican people.
My antagonism lies NOT with the good folks from Mexico, or other countries. My animosity lies with those who think they're more special than the ones who are following the rules and laws, have had to wait, or are still waiting, for their turn to file the proper paperwork and apply for entry in the proper manner, so that MY country can check out their background, to make sure that criminal elements aren't coming in, to protect everyone else already here. Every country has limited resources; those who are here illegally are stealing those limited resources; they are preventing both U.S. Citizens, and naturalized citizens, and those standing in line for entry, from receiving many benefits they not only deserve, but are entitled to. My animosity lies with those who think that this country shouldn't or doesn't have the right to close and/or monitor its doors.
Seems to be the case, doesn't it?
I read that post. It doesn't support your wild-eyed "xenophobe and racists" accusations.
So, basically, all you have been able to produce is one non-racist post.
Not much, is it? In fact it's an absolute zero for you.
"By the way I said that several hundred posts ago you lazy DU pissant."
And just as unpersuasively as you have now.
Keep digging that hole you're in.
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